Ep. 416 “Jesus Christ is Not Our Burden; He is Our Relief" by Brother Wunderli transcript

Welcome to Words of the Prophets, a podcast where we discuss the latest talks from the general conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. My name is Todd, and today I have with me my daughter Aliyah. How are you today, Aliyah? >> I'm great. How are you? >> I'm doing great. Anything new exciting in your life? >> Uh I'm writing lots of music. >> [laughter] >> Great. >> She's like, "No." Yeah. >> [clears throat] >> Living that summer life, right? >> Mhm.

Yeah. >> Yeah. No classes, so you spend your time You got out of your music classes, so now you spend your time doing music. It's been great. >> Exactly. >> [laughter] >> Awesome. Also, I have with us today Rivka and Burke. How are you guys? >> Wonderful. >> Awesome. Burke, anything exciting for you? >> Exciting? No. Just life, regular life as we know it. Took some vacation last weekend, spent some time with Rivka's family and Boise playing Well, I didn't play any games.

They played a lot of games, and I was game adjacent for a weekend. And then went back to work this week. It's been good. >> Awesome. Rivka, how was playing games? >> So much fun. So much fun. >> It's great. >> Burke, what percentage of people on planet Earth don't like to play games? >> My kind of people, but I don't know what percentage. >> Anecdotally, maybe maybe that's a hard number to come up with anecdotally though, cuz you're just not Like, how often are you with in a situation where you get to determine who does and doesn't like to play games?

Cuz game people It's not like people who don't like games are going to be like, "Hey, let's go to your house and not play games." >> let's get together based on our general >> [laughter] >> disappointment in game play. I don't know. Yeah. >> Well, glad you had fun being game adjacent, and Rivka, that you had fun playing games. We are going to have fun right now talking about our next talk, which is called Jesus Christ is not our burden.

He is our relief by brother David J. Wonderly. First counselor in the young men's general presidency. He is not a general authority, which I somehow I just thought that he was. I didn't even know who he was. I just assumed he was. He was called in April of 2025. So again, one year and then speaking. I guess that's how it goes. He served as a mission in Brazil. And he went to the University of Utah. So that's two strikes against him.

A third one, he's kicked out. >> [laughter] >> But he does speak Portuguese. It's just the wrong kind of Portuguese. >> [laughter] >> Found a little bit of redemption later in his life by serving as mission president of the Cabo Verde Praia mission. He's had all the other mission callings as well and until he had this calling. So we're excited to hear what he had to say about Jesus Christ being our relief. Aliyah, what was his fundamental doctrine? >> Know this, Satan is a liar. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Amen.

I love it. Why did you like that? >> [clears throat] >> Well, you know I love short concise >> Mhm. >> you know bombshell lines. And it's just it's true and it informs the rest of the talk because Satan tries to convince people that Jesus is a burden, you know, his commandments and his rules and all these things you're supposed to do for following Jesus and Satan's a liar. So if something sounds like it's coming from Satan, you can be sure that it's a lie. >> [laughter] >> Indeed.

In what ways have you recognized Satan's lies in your life? >> Often he lies about me and my my capabilities. God's mentality is that with his help we can accomplish anything and Satan's mentality is that uh we are you know, so bad or not good enough or whatever. So that that we can't accomplish anything even if God is involved and so why even try? That's a big lie that I've heard from him. >> Okay. That's funny because you feel like the last person on earth who is not trying at things.

You're trying all the time at stuff. Like all you do is try. >> True. >> So, you just have ignored the lie or it was never that tempting to you or what uh how did you overcome >> where it was more of an issue and it like it kind of comes and goes. In middle school, I feel like that was my first time that I recognized that voice in my head and and was able to like slowly, you know, start to overcome it. And then it kind of went away. >> Yeah, well, I don't know. >> [laughter] >> I for those who haven't listened to every single episode of this podcast and remembered every last thing we said, uh when Aliyah was in eighth grade, she was at home-schooled for 1 year and I was in charge of things like math and other similar subjects.

Except that I'm not really good at teaching them because they just click in my head. I don't really know how to do them. I just do them. And so I >> And it doesn't make sense to me. >> No. And so we didn't really it wasn't a great pairing. But my solution was just to get in Aliyah's face and yell, "Anything is possible!" all the time because she would always say, "This is impossible." And I'd be like, "No, no, no. >> [laughter] >> Anything is possible." So I I I deserve 100% credit for that. >> That message sunk in later, but >> [clears throat] >> really it was my mom who coached me through a lot of stuff. >> Yes.

That's true. >> So, it's it's come and gone. Now that I am very familiar with Satan's uh tactics, it's it's very easy to see when like I just start thinking things that I don't normally think if I'm, you know, having a bad day or in a bad mood or whatever. Like those things aren't me and I know that now and so I can It's not always easy to not listen. Sometimes I sit in like so deep in the pity party that it's hard to ignore the voice, but I at the very least I know that it's not true.

It's I no longer believe that that's a true statement about the world coming from me. I know that it's a lie coming from Satan. >> Yeah. Awesome. Uh I've a couple places I've heard Satan lie frequently in my life. Um Often times I think of my body {slash} the natural man, like my physical substance {slash} the natural man, as um just being the conduit for Satan's continuous lies. And it tells me such things as you don't need to work out today.

You work out all the time. It's fine. Or it would feel really good to sit down and watch a movie for 2 hours and eat a whole bunch of food. And like I just I tell it all the time, you're lying. This is garbage. No way, Jose. Get the Get the hints. Not today, Satan. All the things. >> [laughter] >> Um Yeah, I just like telling the natural man to to to leave. Um The other thing that I I used to I've been thinking about this lately, so I you know, now that I'm teaching seminary kids and I'm telling them to get married all the time, I think I think about how I used to be like, yeah, like it's such an individual thing and it's personal decision and the Lord's timing and blah blah blah.

And now I'm just like, that's all true and the Lord will give you grace no matter what happens, but everyone should get married and have kids whenever possible. Like, just get married and have kids. And this whole thing of like, I need to like find myself and whatever else, it's a lie from Satan. It's not just like everyone's different and it works for you. No, that's a total lie from Satan. Go out, find the right one, get married, your life will be better for it.

God says so. So. Anyways, um let's go on to Burke. Burke, what was your fundamental doctrine? >> Please remember that taking Jesus Christ out of your life is not the answer. >> Mhm. I love that one. Why did you like that, Burke? >> Cuz it just it goes right along with what Aliyah just said. Also, I I did have a couple of my siblings that were on a well-known anti podcast in the last few weeks. >> Oh. >> Which I did go ahead and watch just so I didn't get blindsided by people like, "Hey, did you know your so-and-so said this about your family?" >> Were they on Mormon Stories or whatever? >> Yeah.

And um >> That guy. >> but one of my sisters actually said that what I could I can't remember how she phrased it exactly, but like the defining moment in her life is when she realized that no one was coming to help and she was her own savior. And um I just thought >> Okay. >> That's not That's That's not the route I would choose to go with my life. I do not feel that removing Christ from my life would be helpful. >> Yeah. >> But yeah, and he does say that removing him will not lighten your load. >> Oof. >> And I am interested in having my load lightened, and I think thus far doing my very best to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ has lightened my load significantly in life. >> Mhm.

Wow. Burke, that is like a punch to the gut to hear that phrase spoken out loud. Um I've heard other people, maybe not phrase it like that, but leave the church and say, "Well, now that I've left, I feel so liberated or I feel so much happier." We've talked about this before on the podcast, but >> That 10% raise and an extra day a week. Woo. >> [laughter] >> What's it? Indeed. I people [laughter] >> Well, >> I Yeah, anyways.

Um what do you Why do you think they feel that way? So, I I mean, is that not evidence that what they're saying is true? Like, "Hey, I I let go of these things. That's a relief. I have 10% more money." or whatever. >> I don't know. I don't know. I can't say what they're feeling. I can just say that in my life when things get harder, getting closer to Christ always helps them to work out and to feel easier. It doesn't always fix the problems, but it often fixes the way I feel about the problems.

Yeah. Um so, yeah. I don't have a good answer for that. It would seem like yes, from a logical standpoint, that is evidence that all the stuff I believe is not true, but >> Hm. Yeah. >> I think um there are two good answers for me. One is right here in [clears throat] the thing that Alida said, "No, this Satan is a liar." So, some of them are being outright deceived. >> Yeah. >> And uh that it just flat up flat out being deceived.

I think others, I can't remember who had this talk, but it might even have been this conference where they talked about how um you know, it says in the scriptures, sometimes you can uh you will I don't remember the wording, but you can leave God and you'll have joy, but joy's not the right word. You'll have joy for a season and then >> Well, and how I have heard it described by some is the absence of guilt for a while. >> Yes, right. >> To stop feeling like there's something they have to achieve or something they have to push for and they're like, "Oh, this is easier.

I don't have to do anything." >> Yeah. Yeah. That is such a huge thing. So many people rebel against ever feeling guilty about things And uh sometimes it it's it feels like it's just cuz they're feeling guilty in a way that they're not supposed to. That's another way Satan lies. Um right? Like if you read all the scriptural stories about repentance, their guilt is washed away, right? That's the whole thing. Yeah, Alma did horrific things and as soon as he repented, he felt better.

So. Um okay, tell me your fundamental doctrine again, Burke, cuz I had another question for you. And but I got to say my fundamental >> Please remember that taking Jesus Christ out of your life is not the answer. Removing him will not lighten your load. >> Have you ever been tempted to solve your problems by removing Jesus Christ in some way? Big or small. Not It doesn't have to be like leaving the church, but in some small way like, "Oh, if I got rid of this the savior out of this scenario, my life would be easier." >> Um I think I'm as prone as anyone else to distract myself, you know, with scrolling or media or whatever just so I don't have to think about what life is requiring of me.

Mhm. I think that's probably the easiest form that I get distracted with. Um >> Yeah. >> But for sure there's been times in my life where I was like, "This is so hard." And another calling and more stuff and uh What do all the people in the world that don't have to deal with all this extra work? Yeah. What do they do with all their time? Yeah. >> Indeed. That scrolling is like uh you're not consciously saying I'm going to remove the savior, but it's the principle of every time you say yes to one thing, you're saying no to something else, right?

So said yes to some mindlessness, no to some anything else. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Awesome. Thank you, Burke. Rivka, let's go to you. I didn't hear any pages turning. I don't know if you were doing your Rivka thing or not. But >> all over the place. >> Oh, great. I missed it. Well, tell us what your fundamental doctrine was. >> Um well, I think just kind of continuing on with the conversation that's just been happening, and going to say, "Keeping Jesus Christ with you requires intentional daily worship." So, if we're looking for ways that we're trying to take Christ out of our life, it could be when we don't do these fundamentals, and he goes through a list of of fundamentals here.

Prayer, scripture study, repentance, and living our covenants and renewing them each week. And so, I I think you know, I was just thinking about your question to Brooke, and I think anytime that I skip one of those for something else, that's a moment. >> Mhm. Yep. Yeah. I you know, were any of you waiting for him to come up with a big list of some brand new way to >> [laughter] >> daily worship? Nope. It's the same list, right?

I don't think he specifically said serving others, but that's the other one that always should be on there, right? >> Yeah. >> And just continuing on with this theme, even if you've done all those things, there's something and maybe I have this wrong, you can correct me, but there's something inherent to me, at least, about that. If I just mindlessly scroll or do something for like 3 hours, I still feel disconnected from the Lord in some way, even if it's nothing bad. >> Mhm. >> And I've done my scripture study, and I've done everything else like I don't know, there's something about it that just doesn't doesn't feel good in the end.

It's I'm sure it's the dopamine imbalance, but anyway. [laughter] >> Well, and certainly there's a difference between taking, you know, a well-advised rest or break, >> Right. >> and slopping around. I don't know. >> Yeah. >> Slobbing around, whatever you want to call it. Yeah. Doing nothing when you could be and probably what is feeling yucky is that there's a big part of you that wants to be doing something else. >> Yes. >> But Yeah, that wrestle between our our maybe divine heart and our natural man is can be rough sometimes. >> Right.

Maybe Rivka, um, you said taking a a well-deserved break or rest. >> Mhm. >> And it says run What is What's the wording? Don't run faster than you were able or >> Oh, yeah. >> whatever. >> The run and not be weary and walk and >> No, I was thinking King Benjamin like Mosiah, um, I'd have to look it up. >> Yeah. >> But it's like don't don't run faster than you were able or something like that. But maybe the in my bid to be the least, um, um, >> relatable >> relatable church, thank you, relatable.

Maybe it's cuz I I don't often feel that need of like I need to pause and catch my breath. Like most of the time I feel the opposite of like let's go. Like I did this stuff and now I need to do more. Like there's more to do. I got to keep going. I can't stop. Um, so I don't often have that feeling of like, I just need a break. Um, it's more like I I got to keep going or I feel anxious if I'm not working on something.

So >> Can I add my two cents to this thought? >> Um, I don't know. Is it worth more than two cents? The podcast is free, I guess. So it can be zero cents. >> Um, my husband and I have been listening to Seven Habits of Highly Highly Effective People and um >> in his time listening to this with your husband, I feel like >> Well, we have just been slow going, but we finally finished. And the last habit is sharpen the saw, which is >> Yeah. >> essentially don't run faster than you have strength.

And the idea is that at some point you got to stop and sharpen the tool you're working with in order to keep working. And when he was talking about this chapter, we were listening to the audiobook. Um he listed all these different ways to sharpen the saw. None of them were uh scrolling or, you know, doing anything on social media or like nothing was mindless, nothing was like real breaks. It was like meditate, pray, um back to with your family.

It was It was those kinds of things. So, when I hear people like King Benjamin say, "Don't run faster than you have strength." I think how I can best apply that to the my understanding of that is don't expect more of yourself than God is expecting of you. So, keep doing things. Just don't do more than like don't expect more than God is already asking. And then don't get mad at yourself when you can when you can't do it.

You know? And so, I don't think it's necessarily like stop doing things. Like don't quit your calling, don't stop going to church, don't take a day off from reading scriptures. But maybe like find ways to like re connect, spend more time meditating, spend more time praying, spend more time like in the scriptures so that you're sharpening your saw, which is yourself. Dad says working out. Yes. He's miming exercise. Exercise is super great for that.

Do art stuff. You know, those kinds of things are like connecting yourself with yourself and with heaven. And instead of like I need to do more and I'm not going to be good enough if I'm not the Relief Society president and this other thing and like, you know, we don't need to run faster than God is asking us to. We need to run behind Jesus, not in front of him. >> Mhm, or without him. >> Are you sure we don't always set unrealistic expectations and then beat ourselves up when we don't reach them? >> [laughter] >> This sounds like a great plan. >> So, Aliyah, this is individual.

One of the points I was trying to make is that not everyone has the same threshold, right? Like some people >> Yes. >> need more rest or whatever. Here Here's the exact quote. It's from Mosiah 4:27. See that all these things are done in wisdom and order, for it is not requisite that a man should run faster than he has strength. That's not the end of the verse, though. And again, it is expedient that he should be diligent.

That thereby he might win the prize. Therefore, all things must be done in order. That feels like a little chiasm, right? Order at the beginning and end. Um and then he's equating not running faster than you have strength with diligent, which is >> have to run fast, just not too fast. >> Right, just not fast and you can't. The other thing is like there's psychology here. I do not have that voice that says if you didn't meet expectations, your self-worth is ruined or there's something wrong with you or whatever the case may be.

Um that Welcome Deonna to the podcast. >> And she's out. >> Actually, she'd be great for right now. She has lots of stuff to say about this. Like if I set unrealistic expectations and I don't meet them, my typical response is I just find ways to make the system better and work harder at it. It doesn't like harm me psychologically. Does that make sense? Um but some people that does wreck them, so I don't know. >> Well, so maybe this is where making sure that Well, okay, he says abiding with him eases your burdens.

And I think if you are abiding with him and keeping that connection, then you get that one-on-one guidance through the spirit. If you're someone who is like, "You need to be doing more. There's something more that you can be working on." Or if you're someone who's like, "You need to start saying no to some things because you're doing you're trying to save the world on your own." >> Yeah. Right. >> And and the spirit is going to be where you can where you can get what's actually going to be the thing that helps you be able to keep this pace. >> Yeah. >> Rather than be going too fast or too slow. >> Okay, that's a all those things um require calibration with the spirit uh for your individual life and moment in your life.

So. >> Yep. >> Uh I I happen to be at a moment in my life where I have lots of resources like sleep and time because all my kids are gone except for one who does not demand a lot of time for me and um you know, so life is much much different than it used to be. So. Burke, anything to add to that before we move on to a couple other quotes here just to tie off the discussion? >> Nope. >> Okay, thank you. Okay, let's go back to Aliyah.

Did you have any other quotes from him before um not invitations or promised blessings, just anything else from the talk? >> Yeah, in I'm going to kind of pull some quotes from paragraph 24 and 25. >> All right. >> He's talking about walking with Jesus. He says, "May we together continue to walk with Jesus Christ even in our most difficult moments when we question our worth, that our capabilities, or question our faith." And then paragraph 25, "Let him contend with those who would contend with us." So, this idea of walking with Jesus, not questioning our worth or our capabilities or our faith, and letting him fight battles for us or on behalf of us, this feels like to me a bunch of ways to describe how integrity feels in my life. >> Oh. >> And in Preach My Gospel, which in the new update, then I say new, it's been like 3 years, in the recent-ish update talks about integrity as one of the um Christlike attributes, they added it.

And it says, "As you live with integrity, you will have inner peace and self-respect. The Lord and others will trust you." And it's >> I feel like of all the Christlike attributes in Preach My Gospel, integrity I feel like I have a grasp on integrity. >> [laughter] >> I don't like all all all the other ones. Yeah, like the other ones I'm working on, you know, but like integrity, I got it. I can do it. And then that's what it feels like, like walking with Christ in our difficult moments and not ever taking him out of our backpack.

To me, it feels like inner peace, self-respect, and trust from the Lord all the time, no matter what, because if he's always with us, there's nothing that we can do that won't that will change our worth. Uh our worthiness can change, but if we're walking with Christ, he can fix that, too. And no matter what anyone else says around us, he can fight our battles, and if we know that we're on the right side, because there is a right and a wrong, and we're following the right, which is Jesus, then who cares what anybody else has to say, and the whole world could fall down around you, and it wouldn't matter because you would have inner peace and self-respect because you're doing the right thing.

And so, that's the essence of integrity, is to walk with Jesus always and let him contend with those who would contend against you, and it might be hard sometimes circumstantially, but on the inside, it's an immovable rock, and he is the immovable rock, and when we're stuck to him then we can't move either. >> I love that Aliyah. That was amazing. It sounds like you're equating integrity with being wholly reliant on the savior in your life. >> Yeah, I would say integrity is an understanding of right and wrong and choosing to adhere to the right.

Acknowledging that we make mistakes but that Jesus can cover for them. >> Awesome. The only part of that I didn't like is that you said inner peace twice and did not talk about inner peace once. >> inner peace once. >> [laughter] >> Just golden missed opportunity. >> So >> on, Hannah's great. It's illustrates this principle very well. Jesus obviously isn't in the equation but same same moral principle of integrity. >> Right.

Love it. Okay Burke, how about you? Any other quotes from the talk that you liked? >> Well, just from paragraph 12 when he's uh quoting the Lord speaking to his disciples because this just resonates with me so simply when he says be of good cheer. Cuz I'm just so cheerful. >> I love it. How has that uh helped you walk with the Lord Burke? >> Oh man, you know, he says be of good cheer cuz he's overcome the world but I got to say the first part of that quote in the world you will have tribulation is the part that seems more relevant to me most of the time. >> Totally right. >> Yeah, uh it just it's interesting cuz he's like yeah, it's going to be hard but don't worry about it cuz I've overcome it and it's like well, if he's overcome it, why doesn't it feel more overcome? >> Yeah. >> To him it does feel overcome. >> Yeah, it does. >> Just not to us. >> It's like trust, it is overcome.

You're not there yet but I've already done it so it's going to be okay. >> Yeah. If there's one thing that Burke has taught me is that it's all about timing. Everything in the world is about timing. >> Yep. >> [laughter] >> Uh there was a good Do you subscribe to the Scripture Central podcast? >> I do not. >> Um There's some good on there, some not as good. The guy who did gave the talk in 2019 Stand Forever has been doing a series on there.

Think he's up to 16 or 17 episodes. And uh he had a whole thing about cheerfulness and happiness and it was really really good. It was very nuanced take on it um that was gospel-centric, so highly recommended. Rebekah, let's go to you. What else did you find from the talk that you enjoyed? >> So, he talks about a visit that he and his wife had in West Africa. He said, "I sat in the home of two young brothers who'd recently joined the church and were being raised by a single mother in humble circumstances.

When asked what the gospel of Jesus Christ has done for their family, 16-year-old Joshua simply said, 'Relief.'" I just thought that was I would never think to respond with that word. So, I thought about why would that not be It seems an obvious answer when you read it. But I thought I wonder why that isn't something that would have ever occurred to me as an answer to what the gospel of Jesus Christ has done. And I think some of it is probably because they had just joined the church, but I've had the church I mean, I've been a member of the church my whole life.

I've never lived without it. So, it got me thinking about what in my life has like is evidence of the relief provided by the gospel of Jesus Christ that I just haven't noticed because because I haven't experienced it without the gospel, you know? Things I take for granted. I don't know. I think about that a lot. So, >> It I mean, can This is total semantics, I guess. I don't know. Is it relief if it didn't bother you in the first place?

Like you've had the gospel, so you can't call it relief. >> Right. But I guess what I'm saying is like what what about my life like what problems am I not experiencing? What have I not needed relief from? >> Because I have >> I know. >> Yeah, not specifically you you are relieved from something, but what have you not needed it? I I get what you're saying. >> Yeah, you know, like >> Sorry, it took me a minute to come up >> because the home I grew up in, you know, also had the gospel.

So, and again, it is semantics and it is like who knows? It's like when people say, "Where would you be without the gospel?" And you're like, "I don't know." Cuz who knows? It's all conjecture. But, I do appreciate times when I can think about like what what blessings and what ease have I had in my life because I've had the gospel. That maybe wouldn't be there without it. It helps me to increase my ability to [clears throat] be grateful for the gospel.

It's hard to be grateful for something you don't notice. >> Yeah. I mean the there it is conjecture, but there are so many things that are low-hanging fruit that are easy to say. >> Yeah. >> Uh, you know, in terms of just your life, your family life, your marriage, you know, different [clears throat] diseases. Every time I see a lung cancer, you know, education, stuff like that. >> Yeah, so there's just a lot of things.

Anyway, I just always appreciate those moments when I can be like, "Right, what can I be grateful for that I don't even think about because they're just such normal parts of my day >> right. >> existence. >> Those are sometimes the hardest things to see. >> Yep. >> Okay, let's finish it up with some invitations and promises. Blessings, Aliyah, let's go back to you. >> All right, this one's from paragraph 14 and it is it lines up a lot with what I said in my last point, but it's an invitation.

Each morning as you begin your daily walk, please make sure that Jesus Christ is with you. Then as you face opposing forces aimed at separating you from him, your confidence and resolve will be anchored to his truth, to his wisdom, to him who is all knowing. So, >> I love that. >> every start your day and commit to walk with him, and you will be anchored to him. >> Love it. Burke, how about you? >> All right, let's see.

This is paragraph 21. He says, "Abiding with him eases your burdens, walking with him shapes your character, and helps you become even as he is. It brings you real and lasting joy." So, the invitations are abiding with him and walking with him, and the blessings are eased burdens, shaped character, becoming more like him, real and everlasting joy. >> Uh we've talked so much about ease. Don't want ease itself. We want our burdens to be eased, I guess. >> Mhm.

Okay, that was an interesting one. Thank you, Burke. Rivka, how about you? >> Um he says, "Let us allow the Savior to Let us allow the Savior to ease our burdens." I mean, that's the invitation. And allow him to help remove the rocks of addiction and the weight of our sorrows. Um to contend with those who would contend with us, which Aliyah read. Let him cleanse us from our sins again and again, and yes, even again. I love that invitation. >> Yeah, that was good. >> Yeah.

Let him move mountains before [clears throat] us and change the course of the powerful rivers in our lives that carry us away from him. Just lots of let him there. Let him do this. That's the invitation. And then the blessing is you get the thing that you're letting him do and that you want, but let him do it. Stop. I don't know, with the pride that says, "I'll I'll take care of this, and then if there's something I can't take care of, then I will have Jesus step in and help me at that point." >> Yeah.

Right. Yeah, there's such a strong current of agency and submission, I guess, in this talk. Um submitting to the Lord's will and allowing him to to work in your life, so. Okay, those are amazing thoughts, guys. Thank you so much. The next one we'll discuss is called Love All, Love Each by Elder Gerrit W. Gong of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. In the meantime, Aliyah's If you want to get a hold of us, in the meantime, if you want to get a hold of us, Aliyah is going to tell you how. >> You can email us at words of the prophets podcast@gmail.com or you can comment message on our Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube at words of the prophets podcast. >> All right, so thanks for joining us today and until next time, keep the faith.