I Studied Plants. That's Why I Don't Eat Them. transcript

Terry, how did you find Carnivore? >> Uh, well, that's that's a decades-long story, actually. I have uh struggled with food all of my life, I think like most people have. Um, when I was out of high school, I am 5'9, I weighed about 135 lb. And I joined the military, and I was in the military for 8 years, and the entire time I was in the military, I weighed about 105 to 112 lb. Um, could not put weight on, no matter what I did, no matter what supplement I tried, no matter what workout I tried.

I worked out with Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, everybody was trying to put weight on me, could not put weight on. And that's what really makes my story strange, because I'm the opposite of what most people struggled with. Most people struggled with putting too much weight on. But no matter what I ate, no matter how much of it I ate, I could not put weight on. And it was right around the 7-year mark, I finally had my military doctor ask me if anybody had ever done a metabolism test on me.

And uh I said no, of course. And so he had me keep a record of every single thing I put in my mouth for about 30 days. He said he wanted to know, you know, if I drank something, how many ounces, if I put a stick of chewing gum in my mouth. Um, everything. He wanted me to document everything. So after 30 days, I turned the journal in to him, and he sent it off. And I was taking in on average 7,000 calories per day, and I maxed out at about 11,000 calories in one 24-hour period.

And could not put weight on. Um, strangely enough, after I had been out of the military for a little while, and this was probably when I turned 35, I did start to finally gain weight. And I wound up being about 160 lb. And for somebody who's my height, 5 ft 9, that's not a terrible weight. But I am also very, very my bone structure is incredibly petite. Uh, as an example, I have an Asian sister-in-law, and she can't wear any of my jewelry because my bones are so much smaller than hers.

So, for me, yeah, it like I have an 8-year-old niece that can't get my jewelry on because it's so small. Um, that being said, when I put this weight on and I got to 160 lb, most people would think that's a pretty healthy weight, but for me it didn't feel good. But I don't um, I don't like to jiggle when I move. And I was just questioning, like I haven't changed my diet. I haven't changed anything about my lifestyle. Um, I don't I don't work out as much, but I'm still very active.

My husband and I our favorite thing to do was go hiking. Like we would go for hours. Um, so still very, very active. And I had issues with my like back pain, joint pain, um, acne, you know, even into my 40s, acne like a teenager. Like what is going on? And I just questioned, and every time I went to the doctor, I was like, why do I wake up at 2:00 in the morning every morning like clockwork with a spasm in my lumbar spine that is so bad I can't breathe.

And they're like, well, it's normal degeneration for your age. What? Are you crazy? [laughter] Like I shouldn't be in age experiencing this kind of pain. That's not normal. I don't remember my parents having issues like this. Like why am I in so much pain? So, uh at about the age of 39, I had an opportunity to go to college. And I did. I got my bachelor's degree in 2 and 1/2 years. I went up to 21 22 credits every semester to include summers to get it done as fast as possible.

In horses, believe it or not. And yes, there are bachelor's degrees in horses. And at the end of it, I graduated in COVID. So, there weren't any jobs. So, because I am a veteran, I had the GI Bill and it pays for up to 4 years of college. So, I still had 18 months left. And I thought, why not pursue a master's degree? As long as, you know, I'm not going to be working because nobody's hiring because of COVID. And I got my master's degree in clinical herbal medicine.

And it was during course of this education when I started to come to an understanding that there are four issues with humans ingesting plant matter. The only one that we ever talk about, the only conversation we ever have is the nutrients. So, the core of plant, the Greek root is phyto, right? So, Greek phyto. So, if you say a phytonutrient, you're talking about the nutrition available to humans from plants. But nobody ever talks about the phytochemicals, the phytotoxins, or the phytomedicines.

So, you're talking about ingesting, just as a an example, let's just take spinach for example. Number one, it is one of the most heavy metal toxic plants the human being can ingest. Number two, the iron that it's loaded with is not in the form that human beings can digest. We can't access it. Um number three, it's loaded with oxalates, which is what causes gallstones and kidney stones. So, what are you really doing when you eat spinach?

You're getting a load of toxins, medicines, oxalates, and you're not getting the nutrition that you were after because human beings can't digest it. And I thought to myself, isn't that interesting? Just that one plant, and I could sit here and ruin plants for you all day. That's what my education has done. Well, anyway, when I graduated with my master's degree in clinical herbal medicine, I had an understanding that maybe people shouldn't be eating plants.

Not that we can't use them medicinally, but I don't think we should be eating them. And then, I had the opportunity, again, thank you to the Department of Veterans Affairs, to pursue my PhD, which I am in my final year of right now. I'm writing my dissertation. And uh it is in integrative health, which is more or less the way our I use this term very loosely. The way our health care system is set up is such that you expose yourself to either a toxin or a deficiency, cuz that's the root of all disease.

Either you have too much of something and you've gotten a toxicity or you don't have enough of something that's essential for life, and that's the root of all disease. So, you do this to yourself, and then you go to the doctor who 80% of the doctors in this country have zero nutritional training whatsoever, And they give you testing to try to find out what is wrong with you. And then they give you a pill that masks. Because I now challenge many of my clients other than an antibiotic, name a pharmaceutical that cures.

You can't. Because that's not what they're designed to do. They are not designed to cure. They are designed to mask. So my PhD is in the conversation about whether you have a toxicity or deficiency or both. That's my PhD. So that's what I do is I teach people, you know, like if you have gray hair, you have a copper deficiency. If you have a rough skin here on the side of your nose, you have a vitamin A deficiency. If there's rough skin on the back of your arm here, you have a vitamin K deficiency.

If you have eczema or psoriasis, you have an autoimmune condition. >> As you just saying that my instinct is to straight away touch here or touch here. >> [laughter] >> Right. It's funny when I have this conversation, I see people doing doing that. They're checking. Um but yes, and it's it's really I think the craziest part of this education is I can just look at people. I can look at their skin, their hair, their nails, and I can be like, "Oh, that person has a zinc deficiency." >> [laughter] >> That person has metabolic issues.

Um just based on what their skin, hair, nails, and the way they're shaped as I can tell how sick you are. And it's wild. Um so it's been really interesting. It's been very fascinating. But throughout the course of this PhD I keep seeing this repeated repeated repeated all all I do is sit around and re-research all day. That's what a PhD is. You just sit around and read research. And I keep seeing the same thing over and over again.

An elimination diet. Elimination diet. Elimination diet. Elimination diet over and over and over and over again. And then I start really digging in and saying, "What is an elimination diet?" It eliminates plant matter. And it basically cures all disease. >> [laughter] >> Okay, that's probably a pretty strong indicator that humans shouldn't eat plants. And just notice the distinction. We shouldn't eat them for food, not that we can't use them for medicine.

And that is the distinction that I think a lot of people get very confused about. >> Yeah. Wow. And so during this process, at what point did this make you feel, "Okay, well, maybe maybe I should not be consuming the plants?" >> Oh, um I just I one day I was having a conversation with my husband and I was like, "You know, we have documentation of this elimination diet from 400 BCE. This is not new information. This is not a new diet.

This is not a fad diet. This is not a craze. This is something that people who are interested in human health have been talking about for millennia. Like we have known about this diet. We have documented cases of the use of this diet as medicine since 400 BCE. And I said, "If this science is this old, let's give it a try. Let's see what happens." And I will say in 3 days, I got rid of all of my acne and psoriasis. So, I had very large patches of psoriasis on both elbows, in my hairline, inside the shells of my ear.

Um in 60 days, my husband and I had both resolved all autoimmune conditions. I had four. He had three. Um the both of us lost that that gut that everybody talks about. Um his was bad enough that he struggled to tie his shoes. So, he dropped, I think, a total of 30 lb and I dropped well, I've been on carnivore now for about 2 years and I hang out right around 125. Which for my height is small, but again, I have very very small bone structure.

I just have ridiculously long legs. Um but I have noticed when I stray from carnivore, if I eat something like, say, grains, my back pain comes back with a ferocity. Um if I eat anything that's got gluten within 4 hours, I will have psoriasis in my left ear. Like inside my left ear. Psoriasis in 4 hours. If I eat seed oils, and oh good god, please research seed oils. Don't not even once. Do not eat seed oils. I will have acne within 3 to 4 hours.

Um if I eat anything that's really starchy, I get really tight through my neck. Um and especially especially if I drink sugar, my kidneys hurt. >> [laughter] >> Like, you know, your body's talking to you. >> Yeah, I I I I that's the thing. Like, everything you said about, you know, that we shouldn't be eating plants is very clearly illustrated after you get rid of them all and then you try and bring something back and your body is like, "No, no, no, we're not doing this again." >> Yes.

Yeah. No, it's a very interesting that you bring that up because I have a client, this is a true story, where he did carnivore cuz he was just going to experiment with it cuz he was so sick in many, many ways, but he decided to try carnivore and he lost weight, and I mean, he had probably close to 100 lbs to lose and he lost it and went down to where he was like a normal-size human being again and got rid of a slew of medical issues.

And then he had been carnivore for about 12 months and he decided he was going to eat a pint of ice cream and two Pop-Tarts. Now, mind you, this man had had not only no plant matter because people don't really connect the two, but sugar, all sugar, any sugar, any source of sugar is going to come from plants, right? It's going to be something very starchy, it's going to be sugarcane, sugar beets, corn. You're going to get sugar from plants, so that is plant matter.

And he actually not only did it did it make him pass out, like ever notice that you have milk and cookies and you're just exhausted and you have to go take a nap? That's because you drugged yourself. It's a drug. Um he passed out, he went to the bathroom, he passed out on his feet, fell, and had to go get nine staples to close his skull back up. That's how hard it hit him. >> See, I knew Pop-Tarts were bad. Um >> [laughter] >> So, how how do you eat typically day-to-day? >> Um I will wake up in the morning and I do intermittent fasting.

And I don't I didn't do it on purpose, I'll put it that way. And people will hear intermittent fasting and they get very intimidated because we don't like to feel hunger. But when you're on carnivore, you don't feel hunger. So usually between 10:30 and 11:00, I will have four duck eggs and four sausage patties. And then for dinner, about four or five, sometimes six hours later, usually around 5:00 p.m., I will have a pork chop or a steak or some brisket or chicken, whatever.

And that's all I consume for the day. And I drink uh reverse osmosis filtered water. And that's the level of uncomplicated food that carnivore brings to your life is is it's kind of a double-edged sword because if you think about it, a lot of human social interaction is around food. If you get asked out on a date, what do they say? Let's go get drinks. Let's go get coffee. Let's meet for lunch. Let's do brunch, right?

So it's around food. So it makes socialization complicated. But in my home, I I don't like I don't even think about food anymore and it's taken my grocery bill down because I'm eating an appropriate diet. And I don't have cravings and I don't feel hunger. I'm not uncomfortable. My energy levels are through the roof. I I mean, I don't know anyone my age that has my energy levels. Even like the youngsters that I hang out with cuz full disclosure, I feel so good that at the age of 48, I'm back in the Navy again.

I passed a military re-enlistment physical at the age of 47 to go back into the military. >> Wow. >> Yes. >> So so is that like um I don't know exactly how it works, but is that something that you will do like as a full-time position or is that more like reserve or >> I am currently in the reserves because of the PhD. So for people who have not experienced that level of education your bachelor's degree is like high school on steroids.

Your master's degree is like your bachelor's degree on steroids and your PhD is like your master's, your bachelor's, and high school on steroids and crack. It's very intensive. It's a I think they said I'm supposed to be spending something like 25 hours a week just reading research. That doesn't include any of the com- or the discussion boards or the meetings with the professors none of that. So it's it's very intense.

Um so because of how intense the education is, I decided to go reserves until I am done with the PhD because it's very challenging. >> And you mentioned clients before. So are you working with people in terms of helping them to eliminate plants from their diets or counseling them about the potential negative effects or something like that? >> So here is here is what I have done with this education is because right now I'm very focused on getting the education.

I work with veterans for free because I understand the level of care that they don't get at the VA. Okay, the VA is the perfect demonstration of why government-run healthcare is a horrible idea. Horrible. You have no idea how badly we are treated at the VA. Um so I understand that they are receiving the worst medical care in the country. And these are people that signed up and gave the government a blank check up to and including their life.

These people need the most help. And they're not getting it at the VA. The amount of suffering that I see in the veteran community is it's a crisis. It's a crisis. They say on average veterans commit suicide 22 a day. 22 veterans every day commit suicide. That's five times the rate of their civilian counterparts. That's a crisis. So, I work with veterans for free. But here is my challenge. It is Have you ever heard of the law of primacy?

Okay, so the law of primacy states that the first thing you learned is the correct thing. So, this is where you get people who even when they are presented with new facts, new data, new research, new information, they can't change their mind. They say that about 3% of people are capable of changing their mind. 3% So, I would not say that I'm wildly successful because I get a lot of pushback when I have the conversation with people and I say, "Please stop eating the plants." They they look at me and they're confused and they're like, "Do you mean salad?" No, I mean everything available in your grocery store.

I mean there's no food in the grocery store that's fit for consumption. Maybe maybe 3 or 4% of the food in the grocery store is fit for consumption. The rest of it is poison. So, you can imagine that's a very extreme point of view when you've been taught since birth. And just think about it this way. When you take a baby off of nursing, right? When you wean them, can you name a baby food that includes meat? All of the baby food is pulverized plant matter.

And then you think about the snacks, the goldfish, the Cheerios, whatever, crackers. It's all plant matter. So, we're literally weaning our children off of breast milk, which is appropriate for them, and then we are putting them on a diet that is 100% inappropriate for them. >> Yeah, and we spend all our time worrying about how they they're not eating enough vegetables. >> Right, and they shouldn't be eating any vegetables.

And fruit is just God's candy. That's candy. >> Right. Right. Um so, uh I mean I I I I can understand how difficult it would be because of as you said, the law of primacy, because, you know, the first things you learn about nutrition are that plants are good, and uh we need fi- fiber is an essential nutrient, and all of this kind of stuff. And so, when someone comes along and says, "Don't eat plants. You should be eating meats.

You should be eating eggs, that kind of thing." Yeah, you end up looking crazy, right? >> Right. And that that you know, that pushback. And again, it's like I I've often told my clients and the people who are interested working with me. I've often told them, if you take absolutely everything you've ever been taught about food and just turn it 180° and the exact opposite is true. That's more or less my PhD in a nutshell.

All of the things that have been demonized, beef, butter, bacon, eggs, eat that. All of that is health food. Well, what about cholesterol? Okay. The populations with the highest cholesterol are the healthiest. So, what you've been taught about cholesterol, turn it around 180°, then you will have the right idea. Our brain is like 60% cholesterol. Do you know that the conversation going on about statins right now, how they're talking about if you take statins, you're actually causing dementia because you are lowering your cholesterol.

But your brain runs on cholesterol. >> Yeah. Um I think when you zoom out far enough as well, it's clear that we are damaging ourselves with with all this food because chronic disease is getting worse. It's not getting better. And the closer we follow the guidelines that we've been told to follow, the sicker we get. And you know, after I'm not sure which president it was that had the heart attack that kind of that was how this all started with Ansel Keys and so forth with the cholesterol and that kind of thing.

Um, I've forgotten the name. For some reason Eisenhower comes to mind, but I don't know if that maybe that's too early on. I'm not sure. But, um, but all this happened, cholesterol's demonized, plants are venerated, and what's happened? Everything's got worse. Nothing's got better. Except except medical establishment profits, you know? >> Yes. Look, if you want to really take a deep dive into how this happened and why it happened, go find an interview with Casey and Cali Means.

M E A N S. It is so dark. It is terrifying. But, just to give you a synopsis, and I would encourage you and your listeners to go look up this interview with Casey and Cali Means, where they talk about how the cigarette industry in the 1980s saw the writing on the wall when they weren't going to be allowed to advertise anymore. No more billboards, no more television commercials. They were like, "We're going to lose profits." So, they bought up all of the food industry, and they put all their scientists to work, the ones that were making cigarettes more addictive, they put them to work on the food industry.

There's an actual career field right now called a food scientist or a food engineer, and their entire job on planet Earth is to design a food item, and I use that term very loosely, that is designed to hijack your reward centers and shut down your satiety, which is your stomach telling your brain, "Okay, I've had enough food." >> And, you know, the this the the food industry, big pharma, all these industries, they feel complimentary to me.

Because the food industry creates this problem and with your inability to turn off your satiety signals, and then big pharma comes along and says, "Oh, we got a solution for that. Just inject this." And then this yeah, cycle continues. And then the food industry's like I think it was Nes- Nestlé started bringing out GLP friendly meals and stuff like that. Like GLP-1 friendly meals or something. It's like it's just this cycle that keeps feeding on itself, you know, to extract as much money as possible from your wallet. >> Absolutely.

I tell my clients, you're paying rent to the food industry for your addiction. And then you're paying rent to your doctor. And then you're paying rent to the medical industrial complex for all of your testing. And then you're paying rent to big pharma just to turn around and keep doing your addiction that's making you sick and need your doctor who's doing all the testing on you. And every year you go back to your doctor and you're sicker and you're sicker and you're sicker.

At what point do we as a society take a step back and go, "Wait a minute. What is going on? Why don't doctors heal? They manage your decline with pharmaceuticals. Oh my gosh. Like how do we have any faith at all in the medical [laughter] establishment? Any. >> So, one of the things that humans are really good at is pattern recognition. And it always strikes me as funny that this is the one pattern that so many people just quite happy to ignore, you know, or just like no, they they wouldn't do that.

They wouldn't do that to us. It's the government. It's they're they're doctors, they're pharmaceutical companies. They wouldn't do that to us. >> Now, just to be clear, and especially if you have any listeners who are part of the medical community, I don't think doctors are bad people. I think they're very good people. I think they want to take you. I think they're trained very wrong. >> Agreed. Yeah, um they're they're following they basically all they can do is follow what they've been told and they have to get to a point where basically they're going against all of their peers if they if they actually start to put the pieces together and and decide to go in a different direction, right?

Everyone else is going to think >> They're vilified. And I mean, if if your listeners, if anybody really wants to start getting involved in the carnivore conversation, I would recommend Dr. Chaffee, Dr. Kilts, k i l t z, Dr. Berry, Ken Berry, Dr. Eric Berg, Dr. Mark Hyman. All all of these doctors that are they themselves were very sick. And they couldn't figure it out, and they didn't have any colleagues who could figure it out.

And especially Ken Ken Berry. Really? No, Ken Berry. Ken Berry was he's 6'3", he was 300 lb. and he was like, I felt really awful when my clients came to me and I'm like, you need to lose weight. And then he's thinking, man, I need to lose weight. And then he was pre-diabetic, and he went on to the I think it was the American Diabetes Association's diet, and nothing happened. And then he went on to the American Heart Association's recommended diet, and it got worse.

And then he was like, I think I'm going to try keto. And he immediately felt better, and he was like, well, gee, if if keto makes me feel this good, I wonder what going even more extreme and going carnivore would would do. And I guess for the last 9, 10 years, he's eaten nothing but beef, butter, bacon, and eggs. He has those four things that he will put in his body. Beef, butter, bacon, and eggs. And he says he feels amazing, he's aging really well, he doesn't have any pain, and he's in his 60s, he looks like he's in his 40s, he looks amazing.

Um, and a lot of these doctors Another one is Dr. Shawn Baker. He eats nothing but ribeye steak. That's the only thing he eats, and he's done it for 20 years, and he's in his 60s, looks like he's in his 40s. And the guy is a competitive powerlifter who looks like he could eat SEAL Team Six. >> Yeah. And I mean, that's the that's the the real difference, right? Is uh whether it's keto, whether it's carnivore, it gets results, you know?

Uh but um the mainstream is out there doing everything they can to vilify the proponents of uh this way of eating, cuz there's no money in this way of eating, right? >> Yes. You that Yes, when you put people on a diet that doesn't include ultra-processed foods, you wind up with a healthy human who isn't struggling with food addiction, does not need to go to the doctor, and when they get their blood work back, they are proud to post it up online and show everybody, "Look, look at my blood work.

Everything is normal. I don't have any hypertension. I don't have this. I don't have that. My A1C is normal. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." And um really interesting. Um one thing that I've seen Dr. Anthony Chaffee talking about, and I want to do a bit of a deep dive on this so that I'm able to have this conversation with people as well, but he claims that human beings don't even have the correct form of insulin to break down plant matter, like the sugars in plant.

We Our insulin That's why our insulin is jacked up when we consume things that are made from plants. The other thing that people don't recognize is that all plants use sugar to grow. All of them. So, if you drink a plain black cup of coffee in the morning, you're getting 3 g of sugar. If you eat a serving of broccoli, you're getting 4 g of sugar. If you're consuming plant matter, you are consuming sugar. It's not just that granulated white jar of crystals on your table.

It's anything that grows out of the ground. >> Yeah. I I think that's one of the hardest things for people to realize um is it's not just like if you have the white stuff, it's everything's going to become glucose when you put it into your body if it's a plant, right? Or it's plant derived. Yeah. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yeah. >> And that is one we have insulin resistance because we don't have the correct form of insulin to handle that type of sugar. >> Yeah.

So, it's yeah. Um I think that's that's actually one of the hardest things when I've when I've been talking to people about this this way of eating. And they say, "I've got all the carbs out of my diet." But when they say carbs, typically what they're talking about is ultra-processed food. Right? So, they're still eating potatoes or something like that. >> bread and grain. >> Mm. Yeah. So, yeah. It's it's a bit of an education process to to get a lot of people to actually understand that yeah, if it if it is or was a plant, then then avoid it.

Best to avoid it. >> Yes. Yes. And then the other side that nobody is talking about is the fact that all of the produce that's available for purchase in your grocery store is all man-made. It's all man-made. Everything has been crossbred or selectively bred to be what it is. Like, broccoli has only existed since like the 1500s. It's a new thing. It's not something that historically humans would have consumed. We've only been eating that for 700 years.

Maybe maybe don't do that. >> Yeah. You made me think of something there. Um earlier in the conversation you said maybe 3 or 4% of what's available in the grocery store is fit for consumption. Now, you go into the health food section of the grocery store, and it there 0% of things are fit for human consumption cuz it's all man-made, right? >> It's trash. That is trash. Um and I and I tell all of my clients, if food has a label, it's a warning label, and you should especially beware of anything that makes a health claim.

Like if you look at a box of cereal, it'll say heart healthy, certified by the American Heart Association. No. No, no. That's a box full of sugar. Okay? That is your cholesterol problem. Don't eat that. Okay? There's no grain, no grain that's okay for a human being to eat. We cannot process it. It causes us to have autoimmune conditions. It spikes our blood sugar through the roof. If you have any kind of pain in your body, don't eat grains.

They're highly inflammatory to humans. >> Yeah. And yeah, there there's very few people that get the grains and and all the plants out of their diets and don't see improvements with inflammation and joint pain and things like that, right? >> Yes. I mean, I I myself, my knees were so bad. Like my husband and I, I told you we like to go hiking. Um, we would go on maybe a mile, mile and a half hike. So, nothing crazy, nothing wild.

And I would come home and my knees would swell. Like I had to ice my knees after a hike. And I was in my 30s. And guess what? If I tried to like squat down, like crouch down to the ground, like put my bum on my heels, I could only get to about 90° before my knees would just give out on me. Now, I can get down on the ground and duck walk. I mean, I can I can I can cook around way low to the ground now because I removed grains and I don't have that inflammation anymore. >> Nice.

Um So, Terry, if if you were advising someone to get started with carnivore, would you advise them to just jump in cold turkey, rip the band-aid off, or maybe transition in slowly, get, say for example, get the grains out first and then seed oils and that kind of thing? >> In my experience with the clients that I have worked with, I have not had one successfully taper off. The only success stories I have are the ones that quit.

The ones that went cold turkey were the ones that are successful. >> Yeah. Um I I think an all or nothing personality can be very damaging for you throughout your life, but an all or nothing personality can can be beneficial sometimes if uh if you're able to kind of say, "Well, if I don't just give everything up right now, then I I can't do it." So, you just, you know, say, "Okay, today I'm starting. I'm giving everything up." And you'll be do you'll be better there.

So, Terry, if people want to reach out to you, what's the best way to connect with you online? Do you have a website or any social media? >> So, I did buy a web domain, but I have not yet found the person to build my website. So, um reaching me can be difficult. I would say I I have a presence on Facebook. I don't have Instagram or Tik Tok or anything like that. Again, I've been very focused on getting the education and I will try to keep in touch with persons like yourself when I do get a website stood up and I have a professional presence like I've gotten my PhD and I am taking on clients who are not veterans cuz currently I only work with veterans because I don't have time to to to branch out yet because of how labor intensive the PhD is.

Um so eventually I will and I do want to be a part of the conversation because I really genuinely understand how much people are suffering. I have two parents with dementia. I just lost a brother at the age of 46. He died May 11th, so about 2 weeks ago. Um and all of it is preventable. It's all preventable. But also, if you have never seen somebody suffer with food addiction, it is so ugly. It is so ugly. I have a client that's I was able to help.

He was at the time when I got a hold of him, he was 71. He was 300 lb. He was on 12 prescription medications. So, anybody of any age can do this. This is the other thing that I love about it. And I was able to help him go from 300 lb, he's 5'6, 300 lb down to 154 in a matter of 6 months. So, we cut this guy's weight in half. And when we did that, he came off of all but one prescription medication. And the one that he had to stay on was for his thyroid because when you lose your thyroid, you've got to have the the Synthroid um or you'll die.

So, that one he'll never be able to come off of. But, he's also been off of all those medications now for 5 years. So, it's long-lasting, far-reaching benefits. Now, recently that same client has returned to eating ice cream, which I have a huge pet peeve with, just so everybody understands. Any kind of dairy product usually is going to have seed oils in it and or sugars in it. You don't Please don't eat dairy. And there are people that will argue and say that on carnivore you can have animal products, so they include dairy.

Do your research. Do your research and get involved in the conversation and Google something called a caseomorphin. Right? So, what happens when you process dairy is you more or less turn it into drugs. That's why so many people are highly addicted to cheese because it's loaded with caseomorphins. And like fully 40% of the population loses the enzymes in our stomach to be able to break down the sugar, right? The lactose.

That's the sugar in milk. After the age of 18 months, we lose that enzyme. So, that's why so many people are lactose intolerant. And then you switch over to something like oat milk or almond milk or soy milk. And it's loaded with seed oils. And seed oils are rancid. They are rancid. You are eating industrial lubricants. Please screen for seed oils. Learn what they are. And they When I use the word ubiquitous, I really mean that word.

They are everywhere. They're in everything. They're in yogurt. They're in granola, your healthy granola that you think you're having. They're in anything that you would consider texturize, like a food that when you eat it the texture is important, like ice cream. You want it to be very silky smooth, right? Or your yogurt, you want it to be very silky smooth. So, they add these seed oils because it improves mouth texture and it's an emulsifier.

And you're eating basically engine oil. >> Yeah, it's pretty bad. So, uh Terry, I'll I'll link to your Facebook in the show notes and um once you have your website up, I'll put that in there as well. Um thank you so much for coming on and sharing your story. I really appreciate your time. >> Absolutely. I appreciate the invite.