Feminist Vs. Anti-Feminist Woman Debate Gets HEATED Quick transcript

So, I would say that all women are feminists because in 2026, all women have the leverage in society. [music] So, as a woman, you have the choice to get an abortion. You can put a man on child support, put a man on alimony, and there's [music] sexist laws that favor women. >> 90% of violent crimes happen from men, either to women or towards other men. Men are the biggest predators [music] in our world. >> That's like 18 years of child support for a kid that's not yours.

If that's not slavery, I don't know what is. >> 97% of child molesters are white men. And even if it's the stepdad, the stepdad is a man. >> Okay, guys. Digital social hour here. Before the one on 10 debate, we got a little one-on-one. Felt like these two needed to hash it out beforehand a little bit. We got Pearl and JS. We're going to focus on her fourth prompt for this. All women are feminists. I'll kick it off to Pearl to start. >> Hi guys, I'm Pearl Davis.

I'm a YouTuber. Uh, thanks for having me. >> Hi, I'm Bella. I'm also a social media content creator known as only JS. >> Awesome. >> Okay. So, I would say that all women are feminists because in 2026, all women have the leverage in society. So, as a woman, you have the choice to get an abortion. You can put a man on child support, put a man on alimony. Um, and there's sexist laws that favor women. So, it's one thing you can say you're not a feminist, but if you automatically have the leverage in every interaction with men, um, then you automatically, I would say, is a feminist.

So for me, I would say a feminist is a woman born in 2026 because you automatically have to be in the feminist system. >> Is there any way that a woman could not be feminist in 2026? >> No, because she will always have the leverage and the ability to put a woman or put a man on child support alimony and um you also have the right to get an abortion. >> So just a question, if a woman is against abortion, doesn't believe in divorce, thinks that she should be subordinate to like a man, >> right? but has all these legal rights in the system, she's still a feminist. >> Yeah.

Because automatically, like let's say she's a homemaker and staying at home, well, legally she can put her husband on lifelong alimony. And in the back of in every interaction, he is going to know that he can lose everything. Um because when you are the primary bread winner in most states, you are at more of a legal risk. And so it changes the dynamic between men and women. >> Okay? But just because she has the right to get a divorce and leave doesn't mean that she's going to.

So like today she's saying she's an anti-feminist, >> that doesn't mean just because tomorrow she could be a feminist that today she is a feminist, >> right? But it's still the fact that she can. And so you have to be able to give up power and you can't because you're automatically in this system. And I think we've seen this over the years. Like there's a lot of women that were married and then get divorced later that say they're not feminists, right?

I think I think we've seen this. So you can be something right now, but it doesn't mean you will be in the future. And it still always is going to change the way we interact because, you know, if you're a guy and you go into his shoes, like I've just done a lot of interviews where I've seen um men that really are on the losing end of a lot of these policies that are pushed um where they're put on lifelong alimony. They don't get to see their kids.

And it's a really it's a really sad situation. We can go it's not all men, right? But it's enough. >> It's enough that it's a significant portion of the population. >> It's all it's not all men, but it's enough. But it is all women that are feminist, >> right? Automatically because all women have leverage. Because as a woman, you uh the way that the system is in the United States, most like most women marry men that make more money in general. >> Most, but like a like the actual statistic is 45% of women make as much or if not more.

So they it is most by definition wise, but it's like a significant majority or minority that still is making as much or more than their husband. And and there's exceptions to the rule, but it still women have the automatic leverage because they are the they're the majority of the ones that are putting men on child support and alimony. Men just don't do it the same. >> Like it is majority, but it's like not like this massive like 90%, >> right?

But like the men still are the ones because it's there's not really a punishment for putting a restraining order on a guy because most of the um police in the United States are trained with the duth model which automatically assumes that the person that has more force is the aggressor. So because that is like the stronger person and that's not always necessarily true. >> So because of the way that the training system is set up, women always have the leverage. they can put in a false accusation and they can automatically get their kids, steal the house, and put a guy in child support.

So, it's um you might say that there's women that don't do it, and I hope there's more that don't, but automatically when women have the leverage, um another example is women are 100% in control of who's born. >> I mean, but everybody feminists, does it make all women feminist? >> Well, because all women have the authority. That's the point. Can you think of any scenario where like women don't have the authority, especially in relationships?

And then like we're talking about American society. The claim isn't all American women are feminists. It's all women are feminists. So even a woman in like a different society where they don't have this leverage, are they still a feminist? >> I don't know enough about the laws in other countries. So I sorry I I should have prefaced that. I would have said in the West. >> Okay. >> So in America I I don't um we'd have to go country by country.

That'll take too long. >> I don't really think it has to go country by country. The claim is like all women are feminists because the state says that they have these certain rights. Even if they don't like ideologically agree with those rights or act on those rights, they still have them. So therefore, >> yeah. Like legally, like legally, I'll tell you in in the state of California, if a woman commits paternity fraud, which means that she commits fraud um like lies about paternity, she can put a guy on lifelong child support and alimony over the age of two.

And there's cases that's happened. >> And so it doesn't matter if she doesn't do it. It's the fact that she can. So, it's like women are kind of they're in the winning hand. It's like you have 100% of control over who's born. You have DEI jobs. You have um the ability to put men on child support and alimony. We won. Feminists won. So, it's [clears throat] kind of saying, well, I didn't win. It's like, yeah, you did. You have 100% of control over who's born. >> Just be Well, that that existed before feminism, right?

Like, women have always had control over if >> Well, abortion wasn't always legal. >> Abortion always existed, though, >> right? That's that's true. But it hasn't always been legal. >> But you're saying in like modern society because we have control of over who's born that feminism has won. >> Even if the society is influenced by feminism, that doesn't mean that each individual person woman >> agrees with them. >> Okay.

Does a man have control over like once they have sex, does a man have control if the mom keeps the kid or not? >> The man has control whether he's going to ejaculate, >> right? But but after that >> he has control. >> But even even No, but even there women can steal condoms. It's not illegal. There's no repercussions and women do the points. >> Yeah. To the point the NBA had to issue warnings um to the players because um it was too common that women were stealing condoms.

So I mean that happens in high like status cases all the time. >> You still have the choice to have sex with this woman or not. >> True. That's true. >> It's not all >> I know. It's it's kind of unrealistic to go through. >> If you're making the starting point of like the man ejaculated and now he has no choice. It's like well that was >> I know but who has who has more rights after the fact? Women. >> Because the >> Do you agree that women have more rights after the fact? >> I think it depends state by state nowadays. >> Okay.

Why? Go ahead. >> Because abortion is banned in I don't know how many states, but they are making it to where they're not allowed to do this. >> Right. But you can still get plan B and you can still drive to another state >> in some states and they're working on that. still right but but right now right now who has who has more rights men or women when it comes to reproductive >> who has more reproductive rights >> right so then why isn't um why isn't if if it's supposed to be equal why don't we have 50/50 custody >> I think that's a better question >> why if it's supposed to be equal like why is paternity fraud not illegal in that case if that's your opinion we should work on the like how unequal it is rather than trying to just make it more unequal in one direction >> we should but how many videos have you made on paternity fraud You're a feminist, right? >> I don't think too much. >> I know.

That's the point. That's That's the point. That's like 18 years of child support for a kid that's not yours. If that's not slavery, I don't know what it is. >> Well, I I wouldn't say I've made a video on it, but people have asked me if it's like if a woman can get an abortion, how come the man can't just like give up his right to be a father? And it's >> because he ejaculated inside of her. He made that choice. >> No, but he didn't in paternity fraud.

That's not his kid. >> Then then it comes down to like a DNA test in the law, then punish her. No, but that's the point. It's legal. Like over the age of two, if the man does not know that he's the father, then a woman can put the guy in child support for life. >> I that I disagree with that. I don't know how often that happens. But that still doesn't come down. >> One is too many. That's 18 years. That's that ruins someone's life. >> That doesn't prove that all women are feminist. >> My point is feminists don't talk about it. >> I will gladly talk about it.

Not that I'm aware of the issue. It comes down to >> But that's that's the point is they they care about women's issues. They don't care about men's. It's not about equality. Well, then why have you talked about it? That's that's the point. you saying I haven't talked about men's issu is issues. >> You haven't talked about paternity fraud, which is >> that's just one specific thing. I talk about women's issues. I talk about men's issues.

I really I genuinely think that like gender and sex is a social construct honestly. So, I really try to make sure >> I guess like my idea of feminism is like what happens what we're born with shouldn't determine >> how our life goes at all. It shouldn't force us into these roles. >> Yeah. And you know, I could agree with that, but then it would be 50/50 um 50/50 custo custody. No child support, no alimony. >> Well, the whole child support alimony stuff down from the the the sex roles that we put onto women and the men.

The men has to be the provider, so they're the one working. Women have to be the homemaker, so they're not working. >> That's not not today. >> Uh I I just this is like a my own example. It's not for everybody, but like my parents were married for 20 years. They had 11 kids. My stepmom never worked. They got a divorce and now she has to work. But because she never worked for these 20 years, >> my dad has to help take care of his own kids that he produced. >> Okay.

But so she got alimony. >> Yeah. But she's also working, >> right? But I'm saying like if you want to be equal, then be equal. You made a choice. Nobody put a gun to your head and made you make that choice. >> But they made the choice. >> So at the at the time she had the choice to work if she wanted to. She chose not. So why does if anything it's a privilege to be able to stay home with your kids. >> It is a privilege. >> Yeah.

And so Yeah. Uh, and so I don't think you should punish the guy later for allowing you to. >> It's not a punishment to pay and take care of your kids. It's actually a privilege to be able to pay and take care >> over it. It is a punishment if you do them. It depends how much money the guy makes. It sends men into poverty. I go to I go to homeless shelters. There's so many men there that are homeless or addicted to drugs because they're on substantial amounts of child support.

And most of them wanted to do the right thing. They wanted to be a dad. They wanted to see their kids. But the way the legal I and it's common and that's the thing like feminists don't even know because they don't care about men's issues. >> We do. Feminists by definition have to care about men's issues as well. The the thing that I think gets >> Why isn't paternity fraud illegal? >> You're really stuck on this one thing.

And it's like I I'm conceding that that sounds like a really weird horrible thing that should be taken care of. You just brought it to my attention. [clears throat] I didn't know that was right. But like >> I'll make a video on it. But that doesn't necessarily mean that all women are going to >> Right. feminist. But that's my point is feminists have had 50 years. We know that's a problem. Onethird of paternity back or paternity tests that come back from the American Blood Bank Association come back that the dad's not the father.

One third. >> That's huge. >> One out of three. So knowing that like they're not blind to this issue. And there's many issues like that that are for men that feminists do not talk about. I look on their websites. It's all about women's issues. We don't talk about men's issues. >> But do you think that >> men are nine times more likely to commit suicide after a divorce? >> Okay. So th this is common. >> But there's another thing I remember you saying like it's an issue that women are what is it like applying for divorce more often than men. >> Yeah. >> But that doesn't really show that like women are the ones that ruin the marriage just because they're applying for the divorce.

It says nothing. >> Well, they're the ones that choose to end it. >> But that doesn't mean that they're the ones that ruined the marriage. They're just the ones going out and doing something about it. >> Sure. >> Yeah. So >> I'm still not understanding how just because like the state has given women rights that makes every woman a feminist even if they disagree with those rights >> because you have to give up power and [clears throat] you can't. >> So just because the state's not like if there's an anti-feminist who's like I don't want my right to vote.

I'm not going to vote. >> But the state's not going to say oh yeah let's take away your right to vote and all women's right to vote. That woman is still a feminist even though she very Yeah. I mean I say I say that right but it doesn't matter. It doesn't Yeah. Of course I have to be. I have to be. You're a feminist. I'm a feminist. We're all feminists because it doesn't matter what I say, right? I can say I don't think that we should vote and I don't think we should vote.

But we can vote and we do vote. So there's nothing you can do >> that. So you're saying that there's absolutely nothing that can make a woman not feminist. >> That makes your claim unjustifiable. And you're defining feminism so broadly that it's not even women at this point. >> I would say feminist um is a woman born today in the west. Um, and I would say that traditionalism is used as a marketing strategy today and most women that say that have something to gain from it. >> You yourself are saying that you're a feminist and you think that's a negative thing. >> It's something I can't help.

It doesn't matter good or bad. All women are feminists because we're all born in a feminist society. You start off in the school system, women have more scholarships given to them than men. Um, I would even say like women are given DEI and easy jobs. Even the fact that me and you are debating right now, like these are both DEI jobs, both of us. It's not it's >> living in a society that's influenced by feminism doesn't make the individual person that you don't have feminist ideology.

You live in a society that is feminist influence. >> I h I have to be feminist. I can't like Okay, I played in women's sports. >> I live in a society that's influenced by capitalism, misogyny, sexism. That doesn't make me a capitalist, a misogynistic or a sexist. >> Well, yeah, but it doesn't matter if you have the leverage to do something about it. >> We do have the leverage to do something about it. >> Women do. Correct. >> And men. >> Women.

No, they don't. Most men most because most men are secondass citizens. They don't have the same rights that women do. >> What rights does a man not have that a woman has? >> Men the rights to their children. >> They don't have rights to their children. >> No, they don't. Not in this country. That's why the majority of men um >> I would like to see the fact check on that personally. But men do have rights. >> But who gets No, but who gets custody of the kids?

Men or women? >> It depends. >> No. The majority of the time who gets custody? >> My dad got custody of me. >> Right. But the majority of the time, who gets custody? I'm an example of a manity of the child and you're telling me that men don't have rights right but the majority don't. That's the point. >> I there are examples just like me where that doesn't happen. So your but your dad's on alimony. He doesn't have the right to not pay that. >> My mom didn't pay alimony. >> Exactly of custodial parents are mothers. 21.8%. >> Do you think 80% of dads are bad? >> I know.

I didn't say that. >> Yeah. Well, that's the insinuation because >> it's not that they're bad. It's just like if the mother is taking care of them the majority of the time, if the mother's capable to take care of it while the dad's really not cuz he's working all these hours, >> why would he be uncapable? Cuz he's doing the right thing. Why should he be punished for that? >> Does a dad that's working all this all like a bunch to take care of his kids have more time than a woman who's staying at home? >> He could after the divorce. >> How is he going to I >> if he if he would have less Yeah.

Like cuz men don't spend as much as women. Women make 85% of consumer buying decisions. So, a lot of men, they get divorced and they have more money after because of women's absurd spending habits. >> So, they have more money after, but yet they're ending up homeless and homeless. >> Well, it depends on the class. It depends because divorce is different like for upper class, middle class, and lowerass men. So, if if a guy's lower class, a lot of them end up homeless.

That's true. Um, upper class men that can recover, a lot of them make more money after. It just depends. The statistic that I read, and it probably might be fact checked, but it's 55% of men make more than women. The rest of them don't make more, so they're not going to be paying alimony the same way. >> If you're enjoying this debate, do me a quick favor. Hit the subscribe button. We're bringing in some of the most controversial voices on the internet and putting them face to face with people who completely disagree with them.

It's not easy, so your subscription helps us pull this off. Comment below who you want to see debate next as well. Right. Then why isn't alimony and child support um 50/50? It's not >> because >> wouldn't it like because again if again if if >> sorry >> it's okay >> again um if like if we want to be equal then be equal. I have no problem if women want to work like men that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. You can do that.

But accept the responsibility that comes with it. >> And and that's the issue I have as feminists talk about equality. But if you really wanted equality you have the choice to do anything now. There shouldn't be child support. There shouldn't be alimony. it to be 50/50 custody. If you want to be a man, be a man. >> There's no women that are actually living this like because there's Yeah. Because there's a lot of women that say one thing in their 20s, say one thing in their 30s and their 40s, they change their mind. >> That's all about being a person though.

You're allowed to change your mind, >> right? And that's the point. That's why all women are feminists because they always have the right to change their mind at any time. You have to give up power in order to not change their mind. >> No, because No, no, they don't. Because again, if a man's put on child support, he doesn't have the right to change his mind. Not all men are put on child support though, >> right? But enough are.

And >> not all of them, >> right? But they always can be, >> but they don't always are. You're the the the issue I'm seeing in this like logic train is like >> it's all women, but oh no, it's not all men >> because all women have the leverage. >> What leverage is it that women have that men don't? >> Um, okay. We'll talk about the Amber Herd Johnny Depp case. >> Okay. >> So, automatically being honest, I don't know. >> It's okay.

It's fine. It's when I was in school, Amber Heard and Johnny Depp was a big thing. Um, he was labeled as abusive and he lost his entire career only to find out 5 years later that she was lying. That doesn't happen to women. That doesn't. So he he lost he lost mill. No, women get caught lying all the time. That's the point. >> And men don't get caught lying. >> Not at No, because they're not backed up by society in the state.

I mean, there was a recent case um there was a guy who lied about his boss in corporate America and everyone's laughing at him. He did the same thing women do, right? where they he said his boss was trying to sleep with him or whatever and um >> Yeah. And like everyone laughed. >> Yeah. They're literally they're making fun of him on Twitter. >> That's like like really not a feminist view though. Like that's patriarch. >> And why did me too happen?

Why did he lose his job? >> Me too happened was much broader than that one case. Me too happened because women were scared to speak up about being sexually assaulted. And when other people are speaking up about it, they're like, "Oh, I can speak up about this too." >> Right. But why did But I'm saying like why did Johnny Depp lose his job? And why isn't Amber Heard in jail? >> Did Johnny Depp ever actually abuse Amber Heard?

Was it completely >> No, it was all verbally abused. They weren't on recordings. I remember Okay. What is What is verbal abuse? I'm like >> verbal abuse is abuse. >> Okay. Well, I can then I've been verbally abused by Tik Tok. It's like come on. >> Me [laughter] too. Me too. This sucks and it shouldn't happen. Human mind should it. No, it's it's we get to make money doing an easy job which is talking. We don't have to do manual labor verbal abuse and the physical and that and the harassment that comes from >> I'll take I'll take okay but it's like that's why people hate influencers cuz it's like okay you're going to complain about being verbally abused on the internet.

I know people that lose their backs like they have horrible backs for the rest of their life and what we're going to complain about verbal abuse. Get the f out of here just because somebody else has something worse than you like your your problems don't matter incredibly toxic. >> That's a great mindset to have. There's a guy every week that dies on a a crab fishing boat in Alaska just to get us crab. And we're going to cry about get murdered by men every single year. >> No.

How many? >> I I if I remember correctly, at least 200,000 women go missing every single year. And we're assuming that men. I don't know the exact number of wart murders, but you're talking about men hurt their backs. But then you're going to ignore like the very real like crime that happens, violence that happens against women. >> Women have aborted an eighth of the world population. And right now all of the women and all of the Okay, even outside of that, let's even let's even move from that.

Even outside of that, all the women right now are defending a woman who just murdered her three kids. >> Do we know that she murdered her three kids? >> Yes, she admitted it. >> Do >> she admitted it? >> Has it been proven in court that she murdered her three kids or did the did the her lawyers try to separate the court cases? The defense said no. Our prosecutors said no. They made it into one. So that's it hasn't been proven.

It's like guilty until prot. I will concede that there are times when men murder women, right? I I'll concede >> a lot of times or does it happen a lot more often than >> No, it's not. It's like less than I don't know the exact percentage, but it's not a high percentage of men that are murderers. >> It's not one but if we're going to go murder for murder at the groups of murderers. >> 90% of it is men, >> right? Because women can't like if you look at abuse though can't murder. >> No.

No. Because the the issue is that most murder I've looked into this before. It's like a fight gone wrong. So it's like cuz men can kill with their fists. If women could kill with their fists, it would be far worse. >> Women have access to guns. I highly recommend. My feminist view is every woman should have a gun. What What do you think on that one? >> Yeah, I agree. >> Okay. So women have access to kill. Maybe not. Not if you're a little clumsy.

[laughter] >> What? [gasps] >> No. No. Cuz you know what? Like there's some women that shouldn't have a gun. They might kill themselves on accident. [laughter] >> Men kill themselves with guns. >> Yeah. Not everyone should have a gun. >> I agree with that. I'm just saying I agree with the sentiment still men, but they're not doing it at the same rate. Why isn't that 5050? >> Yeah, but if you No, but if you look at abuse stats, like a relationship abuse, women are more likely to do one-sided abuse to men.

Like most abuse is the two people are hitting each other. It's like two toxic people just beating the [ __ ] out of each other. That's the majority. >> And like if you look at one-sided abuse, meaning one's hitting the other, um, women are the majority. And I think that's kind of common. They've done YouTube videos on this where like a woman like is hitting a guy in public and no one cares and then a guy is hitting a girl in public and everyone comes to your defense.

I mean they've done videos showing that. >> I still just think that's actively anti-feminist. Like that's not feminism at all. >> Like you're arguing all these things about like women do this, women do that, and then actively trying to say that they are feminists with by definition that's not what feminism is. >> Well, I I would say women have the leverage so they have to be feminist. >> What What leverage do you think men have?

Let's do a little thought experiment here. Women have all this leverage. What leverage do men have? >> They You know what? I'll say men have the leverage of making less stupid decisions than women in the long run. >> What do you mean by that? And where's the evidence for that one? >> I mean, I don't need evidence. I can look at our like our lives. >> Okay. >> You know, like you got extreme fame at a young age and you kind of squandered it, right? >> Oh, I mean before the fame happened. >> I know.

But I'm saying like if a man if that happens to a man, they usually don't. I would say the same thing about me. I'm not even saying this to judge you. >> What do you mean they usually I just would I'm not feeling judged. I'm just asking what do you mean they usually don't? >> Yeah. Men have the same exact thing that I say. Vicular is constantly on live stream saying the same exact slurs that I said and he's not getting cancelled. >> Yeah.

Because because you weren't smart in the way that you handled it. You were like crying and it's okay. I'm not I'm not judging you. It's not meant to be attack. It hurts. >> Yeah. To know that I was like >> But if you look at like media training, you're not supposed to do that, right? Like you're not. And so hence, you know, your career got worse. Men in general have to work harder for their money. And so >> though, >> manual, they they do all the building.

They build all I just don't >> You're looking at historical feminism like women were working constantly but not actually getting paid for it. We had to fight literally to get equal pay. >> Men used to have to die to protect them. >> Women also had to die. >> No, they didn't. Yes, they did. No, they didn't. Most men most people that died in wars were men. >> Women also fought in wars and died, though. Why? Why deny that?

Because it's the lesser amount. I mean >> they were literally barred from being allowed to do these kind of things. >> I don't think there was women um really fighting to die in war because you read more history books because today if women really wanted to do that then you would see more women fighting to be not >> um you would see more women fighting to be in the front lines of the military and you don't see that. >> Do you know who the night witches are? >> I don't.

They're the the Russians that fought the Nazis and they they flew these like really uh like rundown planes in the middle of the night and bombed Nazis, but they were all women. They called them the night witches. [sighs] >> I'll take your word. >> I'm just saying like there's history. There's so much air force. The night witches. >> Okay. How many were there? >> I don't know how many, but they're well enough to be talked about.

Women fought in wars. You're claiming that this doesn't happen, but it does. There's so much nuance that you're not understanding. You're making these like I can concede that there. Okay. I can concede. I can concede there was a woman out there that fought in war, but women in mass did not. Would you agree? Would you agree that women in mass didn't? >> Why? >> Because they don't want to. >> Because they were not allowed to.

They actually had to dress up as men to be able to fight. Like the the movie Mulan is based on reality. >> You think the movie Mulan is based on reality? The idea that women had to dress up as men to fight in wars before they were allowed to join is real. >> Okay. Well, so your view is that women wanted to die in war. They just couldn't that wanted to No. That the majority of women wanted the majority or did I say that? >> Okay.

So, we're what? Arguing about 5% of women. >> You're saying all women are feminists and getting mad when I'm trying to point out that that's not true because there is a small percentage. No, because my my reasoning makes sense because all women have leverage and you can't you can't you can't rights doesn't mean that you agree with those rights. If a woman has the right to vote, but they are voting to get rid of their right to vote.

Is that feminist? >> How can I I wish I could vote to get rid of my right to vote. There's no >> That's not feminism. >> Yeah, but there's nobody that I can even vote for that would get rid of the right to vote. Therefore, I will always have the leverage. >> You could you you could run as a politician to try to get rid of your right to vote. Is that feminism? I no I couldn't because women are the biggest No because women are the biggest swing voters.

So politicians don't have careers if they don't cater to women and women are never going to vote for that. We're the majority of the population. >> But some women might. You yourself are a woman who would vote for that. You just admitted you would vote to get rid of your right to vote. >> Yeah, I would. >> So do you think that there's no woman out there that thinks exactly like you do? >> No, because I can still vote.

So it doesn't >> the only woman in the world that thinks that you shouldn't have the right to vote. But thinking doesn't matter. That's the difference between men and women is men care about actions. Women care about like feelings. And so I can feel like that but it doesn't matter because I have >> men don't care about feelings. >> Not as much because men again men from a younger age have to deal with the real world.

Like again we don't have to deal with the real world. >> Me and you are not in the being a podcast or Tik Tocker. I've done both. It is not the real world. I interview men I interview men that have died in that have fought in war that have been on these crab fishing boats where they literally have to see somebody die once a week. I'm sorry. We're spoiled. That really sucks and I do not think that that is because of feminism.

Feminism is not causing that. Feminism is actively trying to get rid of that unequality there that happens for men. >> Yeah, I would disagree because um there's a lot of DEI jobs that are given to women in a way what say DEI what the issue is. What does DEI mean? >> So the biggest wealth transfer in the biggest wealth transfer in the United States is from men to women. And so one of the biggest wealth transfer in the United States is from men to women.

Meaning meaning meaning that meaning that women um have access to men's money. A lot of times it's through child support and alimony. And so women have more spending power in the United States. And the issue you're going to get is now that women have all the money um especially in media like I would say this is a DEI job because it's money that women have gotten um without having to build, maintain, and protect the civilization. >> What does DEI mean?

I don't know the definition off the top of my head. >> Diversity, equity, inclusion. >> Okay. >> Do you not like diversity? Is diversity an issue in workplaces? Like you're saying that women more women should be in war? That would be diversity. Do you have an issue with the D? >> Yes, >> you have an issue with the D. >> It should be based on competence. >> Yeah, I I do have an issue with um >> Do you have an issue with equity as well? >> In my opinion, it should be based on competence.

How good are you at the job? >> Do you think Confidence is sex based. You think based on my genitals I am more or less competent than somebody else with a different pair of genitals. >> Yeah. I would say men are more competent because >> because of their genitals. >> No, because they produce more. So based on their results, >> what do they produce? >> Uh men are the majority of the inventions they built. They >> That's false. >> No, it's not. >> Majority women were not literally allowed to invent things like they they're like there's an example of like >> there's examples of women inventing things. >> There's examples of men taking women. >> Who is the majority of inventors?

Who invented computer programming? Who invented like carbon fiber? >> We we can [laughter] talk about exactly >> women's inventions. >> Who is responsible for building, maintaining, and protecting the civilization? >> Who grew the civilization? >> Like gave birth? >> Who grew the people? >> What do you mean like raised the kids? >> Who grew people in their stomach that actually could make the civilization possible? >> Yeah, but dogs can do that. >> Dogs make civilization. >> Well, they give birth, too.

Like, it's not that big of a deal. It's not that big of a deal to give birth. >> Not really. >> Have you given birth? >> No, I haven't. >> You have a lot of siblings. Did you ever watch your mom give birth? >> No, I didn't. >> Okay. I have I have 11 siblings. I've watched at least nine of them come through my mother's vagina. It's a big [ __ ] deal. I've watched miscarriages happen. It's a big [ __ ] deal. >> Okay, we can we can >> You're only here because the birth happened, >> right?

But it's still more difficult. My point is it's more difficult to build, maintain, and protect civilization. How did men a were okay let's I'll grant you men were built civilization why were they able to do that >> why were they cuz >> like how come they're not at like like women did so much invisible labor unpaid work >> like what what time period >> all of the time periods >> okay like >> raising these men's kids >> you don't think the men raised their kids at all >> they're building society how are they going to have time >> most no through most of no through most of history um men people were farmers >> so like over no work.

Farming is very hard. I come from a farming family, too. >> I I know, but over a certain age, like the men would raise their kids. That's kind of some of the problem we're having is men aren't raising their kids now, but historically, they absolutely did raise their children. >> I'm still just I'm not understanding how this means all women are feminists. And I really think the fact that you says say that there's no possible way for a woman to not be feminist, like that is >> I wish there was.

I wish there was. >> I wish all women were feminist. >> Yeah. I I wish there was a way to not be one, but you can't because in this society, you will always have the right to get an abortion. You'll always have the right to vote. You'll always have the right to put men on child support. You'll always have the right to put men on alimony. >> Claiming that we're always going to have these rights isn't true. If you look at countries like Iran where in the 70s the women actually did have the rights to go out.

Those were taken those taken away. Iran is not the same way now. If that happens, Afghanistan is not the same. >> If that happens, I'll concede one day. If that one day happens, I will concede. >> But you're saying because Okay. Follow me here. women could possibly choose to make a feminist choice. So they're now today feminist. But then the separate thing is we could also choose to get rid of like women's rights. >> Women are going to >> one day like >> but women are never going to vote to get rid of women's rights. >> You would an exception but in mass?

No. >> But you would. >> I would. >> So more women like you exist. >> Not really. >> And a lot of men agree. Not a lot of I think I would have met him by now. I've been doing this for a while. I've talked to several anti-feminists on like debate shows who have actively said that they think that they are subordinate less intelligent than men that men should like run everything they don't want to >> yeah they say that right now for now that doesn't mean they'll say that in >> but they are saying it today which means they are not feminist right now today >> right >> no I would still say they're feminist because they >> I'm not following the logic here the premises might be true but the conclusion is not >> yeah because if you're a woman >> Oh we get a diagram [laughter] >> so you Still, I don't know if I should be drawing this.

This is so bad. But okay, you still you have the right to your kids. So women automatically, for the most part, have custody of their kids. That's more rights than men. Women are the biggest swing voting block, meaning all of politicians cater to them. That's more rights than men. Women make 85% of consumer buying decisions, meaning all of the companies have to cater to us. Like they found ways to, you know, suck fat out of women's stomach and put it in our asses.

Do you think that men don't do that? >> Like no, we don't have the same equivalent. Like you Hey, we can't even pretend that plastic surgery is the same for men and for women. >> It is like clvicular is a huge example of this. >> Well, no. The reason he's going viral, he's going actually he proves my point because he's going viral for what women do all the time. >> But men >> he's an he's an anomaly. That's why he's famous.

And then all the men are criticizing him and all the women I want to bring to the topic that all men are feminists. You can ask me a question, but I feel like we're just like we're jumping everywhere. And the point is is like just because the state is granting somebody rights doesn't mean that somebody ideologically agrees with those rights. >> She can disagree but you still have the power. I disagree but I still have the power.

So it doesn't matter. >> But you're not you're disagreeing to use the power. You want the power. The power that I'm going to say maybe exists. >> You don't want it. So you're not a feminist. Yeah. >> You don't want other women to have it either. >> But why? It's like again we just kind of live in a makebelieve world as women where we think that in the real world right now. >> No. No. You don't. As a YouTuber, you definitely don't. >> I definitely live in a real world.

It might not be different from other people's world. >> Sorry. Media is not the real world. >> It's different from other people's worlds. >> And I can say that. No, it's not. >> It's different from other people. >> You live a far easier life. As do I. >> But easier doesn't mean that it's less real. >> Yeah. I would It's kind of the equivalent of a trust fund baby saying. >> I am not. I'm a foster kid. I >> I didn't say you were a trust fund baby.

I'm saying it's the equivalent. Yeah. Because YouTubers in I mean most men like honestly if they've done manual labor at some point would agree that this is way easier. >> You know what my first job was? >> What was it? >> In 2008 when everybody was losing their houses I me and my family would go and clean those houses. We would have to take out all the garbage that they left or all the furniture they left. We have to mow the lawns, paint, fix the holes.

I did manual labor for actually years. >> That's great. Um I would >> and now that I get this easy Tik Tocker life, I'm able to actually think about things more. I'm able to unthink and unlearn things that I was taught. That doesn't mean I What do you mean unlearn things you were taught? >> I grew in a very like conservative Christian household. So, majority of my adult life has been trying to unlearn these things that I was >> So, you were conservative until then or >> probably.

Yeah. >> Okay. It's kind of So, when you entered the fake world, you got more liberal, huh? >> Uh, it was before I even had social media. I didn't have social media till I was like 20, I think. >> Okay. Well, I wouldn't really consider cleaning services. I mean, it's better than YouTuber. I'm going to give you that. But it's not really the same as like a guy that's dying or like logging plumbing. >> Women dye, log, and plum. >> No, they not. >> Yes, they do.

It >> It's 95% men plus, >> but they exist. There's a huge like one of the reasons I think that like I'm a computer science major. I'm still in school. I think one of the reasons why there's not very many women in this field is because of how many men there are. And there's harassment in that. There's there's une uh unequality in that. I've watched so many women or girls in my class just drop out cuz they didn't feel like they belonged there because they didn't see other women there. >> You have to see other women to feel like you belong. >> It helps. >> Wouldn't you say you're just kind of soft? >> Would you say that they're kind of soft? >> Yes. >> That's just like a very I just It's such a toxic way to think.

It's like a redpilled pessimistic way to think about women. >> It's not really pessimistic. I think it's actually optimistic because I would not let an environment change my mindset. So just because I don't see what I'm a ginger. Should I Should I be um taken aback cuz I don't see gingers everywhere? >> Aren't the gingers disappearing? That's not the point. Is your environment Let me just cry in my room. >> Your environment does change your beliefs.

You're literally saying that I live a soft easy like trust fund baby lifestyle. That's my environment changing my belief. >> I'm saying I'm saying Tik Tockers and YouTubers and I am one. I can say this. Okay. >> It's far It's far easier than >> I'm not denying that it's easier. But >> yeah. So you can't we can't say together we have an easy job. >> We have an easy job. >> Yeah. Thank you. That's it. I'm not understanding how that makes all women feminist. >> Uh because you you always have the option to file a restraining order against a guy which is backed up by the duth. >> Do men have the option to file a restraining order against women? >> Not in the same way because um all of the training systems are based off the duth model which automatically assumes that men are the aggressors.

So because they have more they have more physical I wish more men would. It'd be great. >> But they could and you're saying that like this is a thing. No, but it's they're not believed the same >> because it's not it's not it's not as likely that a woman is going to physically harm a man. >> Untrue. One-sided abuse, women are more likely to physically >> 90% of violent crimes happen from men, either to women or towards other men.

Men are the biggest predators in our world. >> That's because we don't count abortion as murder. So, if we did, >> there's a big difference between the process of a human life and anything. >> So, we're not going to talk about abortion right now unless we want to deep dive into something that's fair. anything. Women are stronger than we abuse. We're more likely to abuse the elderly and we're more likely to abuse infants where men again.

Yes, it is. Infanticide within the We just looked at the stats before. Within the first year, women are the most likely ones to abuse the kids. That's why we see these um >> Who's the most likely one to sexually abuse the kids? >> The stepdad that the woman picked. >> Stepdad specifically. >> Yeah, stepdads. >> Biological dads are up there, too. >> It stepads. >> 95 97% of uh child molesters are white men. >> Yeah. And even if it's the stepdad, the stepdad is a man, >> right?

But again, like how how much worse is that for the father that he couldn't protect the kid from another man? That's even worse. >> That's pretty worse for the kid. I think the kid has the worst >> Well, I'm saying like how >> and it's a pretty equally like worse. >> Well, it's the mother's fault. Somebody else molest. >> Yeah. Cuz that's that's the problem with women. You guys never want to take responsibility for your choices. >> The thing to molest the kid, >> but she chose to bring in a guy that did. >> Did she know that it was going to happen?

Is she a future teller knowing that this lying this lying, manipulative, narcissistic, pedophilic man is going to do that? She knew that. >> I've actually I've actually interviewed a guy um that was in that situation where his daughter was living with an ex- pedophile and the mother knowing that this was an ex- pedophile was living with um with the the guy and the dad just has to sit there and he can't do anything to protect the kid.

That's death to a lot of guys. >> That is horrible. feminist and I don't think taking that one thing and saying it's everybody makes any sense at all. >> I I didn't say it was everybody. How what I am saying is that legally when men don't have rights to their kids, things like that happen. They don't have control and you even see it on TikTok. Like I'll follow a single mom on TikTok and I'll see these rotating guys that are just in and out of her life.

Okay. >> And you know the dad doesn't get to protect the kid and even if they don't do anything it's it's the fact that like he doesn't have control over who's around his son >> or his son or daughter. But yeah, >> I agree that both parents should have control >> and I really do think they do. >> And like you're saying that like men don't have rights over their kids. That's just not true. men have rights over their kids. >> I want we have we're running out of time.

I want to go back. You're saying I just I'm really not understanding the logic of saying women have rights and even if they don't choose those rights, they are feminists. They might not think they're feminists. They might be against feminism as a whole, but they're still feminists. Like that doesn't make any sense. Who are you to say that your opinion of a woman is better than her own opinion of herself and her ideas? >> I would say her opinion doesn't change anything because she still has the power of the state behind her.

She's not. You don't even know if she agrees with the power of the state. >> Doesn't matter. You still have it. >> Feminism is ideology and behavior-based. >> I would say that you still have access to the laws. >> Um, you still, as long as you have the power to get an abortion, the power to vote, and the power to put a guy on child support and alimony, you're feminist. But if she's not choosing those things and [clears throat] actively voting against it, and there are women out there that think this way, that think like you that they shouldn't have those rights, >> that's not feminism.

But I would still say you are because all of society caters to you. You're still going to be given DEI jobs. You're still going to they're still they're still gonna they're still going to make they're still going to make products that cater to women because women >> there's no products that cater to men. >> Not the same because women make the majority of buying decisions. Really, I really hope that [clears throat] you're able to think in more of a gray area one day and see nuance in things because you're really like favoring men, which is fine, but if you were favoring women the same exact way, >> it's not it's not equal thinking. >> I hope that you stop thinking in such a gray area >> and do the opposite.

So, [laughter] >> you want me to be more >> black and white. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't think there's virtue. >> That's really sad. I'm sorry. [laughter] Do you want any closing statements? >> We got like seven minutes. >> Or do you want to just >> I really really wish and I really wish that all women were feminist, but that's just not the reality we live in. I don't see it. [laughter] I I don't know. I have nothing else to say for that one. >> Well, um I wish that I could not be a feminist, but unfortunately I have to be in this society uh because I always have the authority.

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