Tool Tuesday Ep.14: AddForceCut, TMX Collet Chucks, Kalamazoo Collet Fixture transcript

[Music] hey guys welcome back to the shop this is going to be another episode of tool Tuesday I've got some new tools right here that we're getting ready to load up in our metronic CNC lathe and I wanted to kind of go over some of these things and talk about them I've got a a uh a new parting tool from tongoy that we're going to be using in the lathe here I've got got some collet Chucks I recently picked up from KBC tools this is going to help me with some round shank tools like drill bits and I've got this collet Chuck here that we showed recently in a CNC lathe video and there was a lot of folks that had interest in this guy apparently a lot of people that you know are unaware what this was and that it's something that you can get and use in your machine there as well so I thought this would be a perfect time uh since it's out of the machine to go ahead and talk about this guy I'll give you the part number so you guys can look this this up and uh maybe you can add it to your in inventory as well so I'll get you in here a little bit tighter we'll just kind of tick these off one by one and uh show you what we got going on and uh yeah let's jump right into it let's start off by talking about this new parting blade this is made by tungaloy this one is called their ad Force cut and I was recently trying to find a parting tool for my lathe that would work I've actually got one that's the traditional blade style that's got a block that you slide the blade in and I realized that I wouldn't be able to clamp it into the holder there's just no way to be able to stick it into the theer and then tighten the bolts down because the block actually um blocks access to the screws that you have to tighten up so I contacted the application folks over at tungaloy to find out if there was something that they had that we could use on the lathe and they recommended that I give this ad Force cut a try so this is the one that is sized to fit the miltronics ml16 to they have these in a lot of different sizes this is this is I think this is the smallest one that they make right here and it actually has a diameter of 50 mm let's see yep so that's 25 millimet so about two inches in diameter this guy uh can cut right there and it holds like a traditional stick tool like just any kind of Turnin tool that you would put in there so it has two contact faces so it's going to sit there like a traditional stick tool but you slide it down into the turet and it actually contacts this face as well so it has two contact points there and what this does is that so as the tool is working as you're you know applying tool pressure to the insert right there it's going to be naturally trying to push this down which is going to be pushing this face into the Tet there as well so it's supposed to add a lot of rigidity to the cut and uh work really well I haven't used it yet but I have no doubt that this is going to work pretty good so you have the stick here that that you have to get you know the main tool and then you have the blade and they have the blade made so that it'll actually hold U three inserts there and that's handy because everybody that uses these knows that at some point down the road these kind of get wore out or get damaged and then you need to have a new pocket for your insert so you got three Pockets there for your for your inserts I've got a job right now that I that I need to get done uh for My Buddy Joe he's got some aluminum pieces that he's wanting me to uh make like a small batch of them and that's kind of where this this whole uh tool came about I was getting set up to start practice and make make a test run on them and I realized I had no way to part off because The Parting tool that I had just would not work and uh and then that's what led me to tungaloy and they they recommended I to give this a try so I do have some inserts here here for these are these are specifically for aluminum this is the uh KS 05f is the grade and these inserts are 2 mm wide I wanted to point that out they make them in I believe it was three different sizes this is the most narrow size you can get and uh I don't remember I think it was 3 mm and 4 mm that you can get these in as well and I believe you can get this particular size this mine is 3/4 shank by the way all right but you can get these I think up to a 3in diameter part or 3in diameter total capability or 150 mm and I think that was uh oh I was going to mention I've got these other inserts for it too this is the T 9225 grade so I got some for doing steel there as well so we got some aluminum and steel parting inserts for the for the lath there that should get us through most of what we're going to be doing so I'm really excited to give this guy a try we have not mounted it up yet but I am going to get this guy mounted really really soon and do some test runs on it and see how this does but if you go to the tungaloy has some excellent YouTube videos they have a really good social media channel there on Instagram and Facebook they just have some really really nice qual high quality videos showing uh their tools and operation but if you go to their website and you look up this this ad Force cut they got some videos testing these things and you can see uh you might check it out might be a good application for your CNC laid there as well so we'll have more on this uh pretty soon as I get that little aluminum job going over there for Joe we'll put this guy to the test and um and hopefully this is going to end up being a really really good quality parting tool for our milonic CNC lathe all right so next up is going to be this 5c collge chuck had a lot of people show interested in this guy this was actually a gift from one of my viewers and this was several years ago that uh someone give me this I I'm sorry that I don't remember who it was but it was a gift and it's proven to be a very handy and useful tool for many applications you can use this in a lathe or a Miller Machine just depending on how you want to set it up all right so this guy is made by kalamazo Industries they're up in kalamazo Michigan a lot of you guys probably are familiar with Kalamazoo they make a lot of abrasive equipment you know belt Sanders and things like that but they do have a few machine Tool accessories such as this collet fixture right here they have some of the other types of um collet fixture setups as well not just this but they have several to pick from all right and then so if you guys are interested in this I just went ahead and I went to their website it's the model 1cc and it's called a 5c CET Chuck fixture and it retails for $525 all right so just so you guys are aware if you want to check that out or try to find one used somewhere it's the 1cc collet Chuck fixture is what they is what they call this guy it is ground and it holds nice and true so the way this guy works this has got a cam lock action you got you use a 38 allen wrench right here and whenever whenever you're tightening it up the way this works is whenever you put your your 5c collet in there so you have your angle on the end of the CET that seats up to this taper up inside here all right so you have you have to put it in here and you have to screw it in so this can be a little finicky and it helps if you have one of these little uh inexpensive collet wrenches right here it's got the three tangs on there so you can go ahead and and just uh screw it in you can see that it screws in the back of the collet Chuck you do have a set screw down here so I think it's a brass tip set screw you can actually uh lock down on the threads if you want I like to put it in that little keyway there in the set screw keeps it from turning that's how i' I've used it so once you have this positioned in there you got to screw it in there and then play with it and and lock it put your work piece in there to see if it's actually going to work um if you know you just have to play with the adjustment you know screw it in there a little bit further and then see and uh once you have your work piece in Once you turn this cam lock right there you should go I don't know probably about halfway or so 2/3 of the way and it should get tight and then it's locked in there nice and solid but the way this works is this inner sleeve that's fitted inside there once you tighten it it actually pushes this forward this inner sleeve it pushes it Forward squeezing down on the collet there and squeezing your work piece so that's how that works very very simple in operation and then whenever you you're ready to take your work piece out you simply loosen it just like you would a uh standard bolt you know you loosen it up left hand and then tighten it up you pull it to the uh right side so loosen it up pull your work piece out stick another one in tighten it up and you're good to go it runs nice and true I believe they they say that they have maximum run out of 2000 but I I mean I had no problems with it running nice and true I think all those uh shads that I was doing was within was within a thousands so it was working pretty good the back of this is the way they have this machine they have a registered fit in there and I haven't ever measured this so let's see what it is you have a registered fit of inch and a half okay so you can make some type of fixture these These are quarter 20 tapped holes here so you can make a fixture with an inch and a half register that you stick on here and then bolt it on so you could stand it up in that way you know if you got some kind of a plate that maybe you're going to clamp down to your worktable or in a mill Vie or anything you know so you can fixture it that way you can put this in a a super spacer and be able to use your CS that way or simply use it like I did and and I I was just going into a three jaw Chuck and that that just allows you to utilize the use of collets if that's what you'd like to do that worked out really well for those little small shads that I was doing uh getting just a little better hold using a 5c collet so there you go that was the collet Chuck and I almost forgot this is the collet stop that I use for this as well and I don't recall what make this is or what company made this particular one this was another gift from somebody that had given this to me and I can't remember who it was and I wish I I knew who actually made this but it's very simple in design I mean you guys can make one of these guys yourself so it's threaded to fit the back of a standard 5c collets okay so it screws into the collet they have a couple of set screws right here a couple of Flats miled on it so you can uh you know tighten it loosen it with a wrench and then they just have an aluminum looks like a/ in aluminum rod going through the center with a flat M on it so it locks into the set screw so you just simply screw this in to the back of your your collet just like so and you just take a wrench and just tighten that up and then of course you can loosen your set screws and adjust the stop Rod whichever wherever you want to I think that this uh collet stop works really well i' I've got a couple of the other ones the other styles or several that you can buy but that particular style seems to work really good so that would be a a great little shop project if you guys are wanting to make one yourself you can see just how easy it is just copy that guy right there make you a CET stop all right so there we go there's our Kalamazoo uh 1cc collet Chuck fixture from Kalamazoo Industries all right next up we got some more collet Chucks right here so these are these are a couple of cge Chucks that I purchased from KBC tools they have these in many different sizes and and these are a couple that they had in stock and I got these because I've got several this is a er25 collet truck right here and then this is an er16 and I've got several uh collets in in both of those sizes and the reason why I got these is I was looking for a good way to hold some drill bits in the CNC lathe I haven't done any kind of uh drilling or even tapping on that machine yet and I need to this aluminum job that I want to get set up that we're going to use our tungaloy part off tool one of the operations is is actually Trill drilling two different size holes in the center so I needed to have something to hold some drill bits so I can use my existing collets that I have for the Miller Machine on these guys right here so these are made by TMX I I really do love all of the tools that TMX makes I think they're high quality made in Poland I've got their six jaw Chuck four jaw Chuck I've got Mill Vis you know there's several things from TMX that I've got and everything has been uh really high quality tools so I don't know if you can see the the part numbers for these guys right here but as I said if you get on the uh KBC tools website and uh do a search for these collge Chucks you'll be able to find them over there all right and the way I'm going to be mounting these guys up is this is the block that mounts on the tool turet this is an inch and a quar bore and I already had some of the the CNC style split bushings here that I've used in various different ways on the manual laad so one of them is going to be let's see I think that was a 1 in there's a 1 inch shank and then this one's going to be a 3/4 shank so I've got this split bushing that takes a 3/4 shank so that'll go on there like so and then this is going to go into this tool block just like that you've got some set screws on the side right there that you'll be able to you'll push that in there tighten up those set screws and then you can position this you know position this in there to where you want all right I do have a wrench for this guy I just forgot it over there by the lathe all right so there's that guy and then the same thing with the 1- in shank KET Chuck we've got this split bushing right here that's going to go on really nice fit too and we'll be able to put this let's see that one I'm going to there's the split okay you got the the flat I mean stick it in there like so everything's a real close fit here and then boom there we got a collet Chuck and we'll be able to hold all different size drill bits in this uh er25 collet Chuck right there so this is brand new to me these setups and I'm looking forward to getting these guys set up and uh playing around with our program and having some capabilities of of uh being able to go and drill holes and things like that in our in our metronic CNC late so I'm going to start getting these guys set up there on the machine as well these are just the bolts that go and hold this down to the turet hold in there just like that it transfers the uh coolant through to these guys so you can spray your coolant out another thing that I really need to learn and uh maybe get some tooling for I've seen guys that have little pieces of tubing connected to these brass balls there for the coolant and they have it coming out spray and you know right on the the tips of the tools so that's something I got to learn about there as well maybe get some of that hardware and try to get some of those coolant line set up so anyway there's our new TMX collet Chucks for our metronic CNC lathe we got you over at the turn on the miltronics here I'm going to show you how these collet Chucks fit in their holder we got one of our hles bolted down there now I am going to have to cut these guys off they've got these extended length reach there but they need to be cut off to the width of the the uh the tool block right here because if you don't do that when you go around you're likely going to hit something so I'm not going to lock these in we're just going to we're just going to test fit it we're just going to slide it in there see what it looks like that'll go in there like so tighten the two set screws and that'll lock the collet Chuck there then I got a collet wrench that you'll use to to tighten up your collet so that's how that looks there you can see what I mean got to cut these off before even stick them in there so we don't have a crash but there you go that's what our collet trucks are going to look like all right let's see how our new tungaloy ad Force cut parting tool is going to fit so we're we're going to be going in upside down and we're going to use slot number eight right here I believe and what I was saying about the two-point contact so it's going to be clamped you know on this face and push ping against that face there this face will actually push against the face of the turet right there so it's like it was perfectly sized for this tur right there and we'll just go ahead and mock it up that'll loosen the center one 4 mm and then you have your 5 mm socket head bolts here to tighten down that wedges it in I'm not going to fully tighten it in there but you get you get that's what it looks like so they were right they they told me that this uh tool right here is compatible for this uh turret and you can see that it actually fits in there nicely it comes right down there just like it's supposed to and it looks like it's going to fit good it's going to be pushing along this face there as well I can't wait to give that a try you guys ought to look these up I bet you you might enjoy en using those on your CNC laid there as well well this is going to wrap up this episode of tool Tuesday as I mentioned I just had some of these new tools that's going to be going into the metronics and I I thought it would be a good time to kind of discuss them and show them a little bit in case some of you guys had any interest in those and as I said that uh that's this new ad Force parting blade I'm really interested in this I'm excited to see how this is going to do not just for the aluminum job but you know for steel and all kind of other materials there as well and I think that's going to be a nice elegant solution for my parting needs in the in the CNC laid there the KET chuck had a lot of folks asking about that that's why I wanted to go over this and kind of show that up a little close a little more closely so you guys can uh see what this was how it works and uh the part number there so you can order it all right so if you guys have any other suggestions or ideas things that you would like for me to talk about on a tool Tuesday uh doesn't matter what it is it can be cutting tools uh you know fixturing for tools like we're talking about right here measurement tools you know Precision measuring anything like that if you have some suggestions drop them into the comments and we'll check it out and see if we can uh add some of those ideas to some future episodes of tool Tuesday all right thanks for watching thanks for subscribing and I hope you guys enjoyed we'll see you on the next [Music] video